Why Do Boxers Do A Lot Of Sit-ups?

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I can see the importance of conditioning your abs through getting hit.

I can see the importance of getting strong abs through heavy deadlifts and low rep ab exercises.

I can kind of see doing bodybuilding reps to enlarge your abs for added cusion.

I don't see how doing 500 sit-ups can help. I don't quite understand the carry over to having the sit-up muscle endurance. What is the theory behind this?
 
NO-PITY said:
its called core endurance

yes, i mentioned it is muscle endurance in the first post, you are of no help.
I just don't understand the carry over of it. Does it make you better at anything other than sit-ups that you don't get in your other training, bag work, sparring, etc...?
 
Fedorable said:
I can see the importance of conditioning your abs through getting hit.
I can see the importance of getting strong abs through heavy deadlifts and low rep ab exercises.
I can kind of see doing bodybuilding reps to enlarge your abs for added cusion.
I don't see how doing 500 sit-ups can help. I don't quite understand the carry over to having the sit-up muscle endurance. What is the theory behind this?
Are you serious? The situps allow you to contract your stomach muscles quickly to absorb a shot. Situps make your core strong as well.
 
K-1Dork said:
Are you serious? The situps allow you to contract your stomach muscles quickly to absorb a shot. Situps make your core strong as well.

Yes, I am serious.

There are better ways to strengthen your core than lots of sit-ups, an example would be a few sit-ups with heavy weights.

I don't quite understand the speed of contraction theory. I feel like I can almost instantly contract my stomach as we speak.
 
After you get hit in the gut a couple times your abs will get tired. You will need muscular endurance to protect your abs
 
MaxPow said:
After you get hit in the gut a couple times your abs will get tired. You will need muscular endurance to protect your abs
That sounds right.
 
The main reason is not about being hit, but about getting a stabile torso. The abs is the link between upper and lower body and having a stabile torso is very important for ANY sport and especialy boxing. Not only for bobing and waving, but also to transform the legpower into your punch for example.
 
Try it, and stop trying to change shit that's existed perfectly fine for decades past.

By comparison, look how many Boxers have six-packs. By comparison, look how many Boxers take repetitious body-punches and handle them well unless they're expressly placed right on the liver or the kidneys, which are relatively unprotected by sheets of muscle.

You're more than welcome to come out to Vegas and train with Vilo and I and see how our ab routines help.

And also, quit isolationg ONE of MANY exercises Boxers do and going "what's up with that?" In the grand scheme of most Boxer routines, sit-ups are pretty arbitrary. If you don't believe me, check my training log I think on the second or third page and look at the routines of two former World Champions.

I'm doing my best to not be a dick about this, but I just think attempting to fix things that aren't broken, or questioning the obvious are just slightly rude by nature.
 
by the way, deadlifts...they're for the quads, not abs
But yeah, with strong abs you can take body shots, it's also somewhat mental, like, to see if you're serious about this, can he really do that many situps...?
 
isnt this question in like a few different forums. either that or i lost my mind
 
Jeam said:
by the way, deadlifts...they're for the quads, not abs
Deadlifts are for the quads? I'm guessing you've never deadlifted heavy if you think they're predominantly a quad exercise.
 
King Kabuki said:
Try it, and stop trying to change shit that's existed perfectly fine for decades past.

By comparison, look how many Boxers have six-packs. By comparison, look how many Boxers take repetitious body-punches and handle them well unless they're expressly placed right on the liver or the kidneys, which are relatively unprotected by sheets of muscle.

You're more than welcome to come out to Vegas and train with Vilo and I and see how our ab routines help.

And also, quit isolationg ONE of MANY exercises Boxers do and going "what's up with that?" In the grand scheme of most Boxer routines, sit-ups are pretty arbitrary. If you don't believe me, check my training log I think on the second or third page and look at the routines of two former World Champions.

I'm doing my best to not be a dick about this, but I just think attempting to fix things that aren't broken, or questioning the obvious are just slightly rude by nature.

Just because something has been done for decades doesn't mean there isn't a better way to do it and it doesn't mean the old way isn't the best way either. I am trying to make a decision for myself.

You sould like a pretty big meat head, I'd like to train out in Vegas sure, but your attentions are clearly to make yourself feel important.

I didn't disbelief you, I was unsure of the reason so I was hoping for some intelligent responses which obviously won't come from the likes of you. I'll look at your log gladly and maybe I'll learn something from it.

It isn't obvious though and that is why I am curious about it. I think the most obvious answer to me is that they do it out of tradition. I don't think it is a good idea to do something that you don't understand when the answers should be accessable from the boxers here despite what you think being rude is.
 
Ever think they do 500 and fast to pace their heart as well as condition their abs?
 
Hudsn said:
isnt this question in like a few different forums. either that or i lost my mind

Yes, purposely.

I figured the boxers and the guys in the strength and power forum would have different types of answers. The guys in the other forum seem concern with the best way of doing things and the reasons why they are the best ways scientifically, but many of them are not boxers so that side should be found here.
 
Just because something has been done for decades doesn't mean there isn't a better way to do it and it doesn't mean the old way isn't the best way either. I am trying to make a decision for myself.

You sould like a pretty big meat head, I'd like to train out in Vegas sure, but your attentions are clearly to make yourself feel important.

I didn't disbelief you, I was unsure of the reason so I was hoping for some intelligent responses which obviously won't come from the likes of you. I'll look at your log gladly and maybe I'll learn something from it.

It isn't obvious though and that is why I am curious about it. I think the most obvious answer to me is that they do it out of tradition. I don't think it is a good idea to do something that you don't understand when the answers should be accessable from the boxers here despite what you think being rude is.

So when someone answers your question, and even invites you to train with them, the best you can do is insult them? Wonderful.

I sound like a meathead? What precisely does a meathead sound like praytell?

And out of the "Boxers" here, there's only a couple that are actually training a Pro system, which is Worlds different than an amateur or a "just getting in-shape" system. So the answer you seek could be variable upon the person. If you want an answer from a Professional standpoint (which that's what it seems because not even all "Boxers" do a lot of sit-ups), you're going to get a little flack for that because the answers are right in front of your face if you even look at Boxing at all. But let's address some of your questioning issues, and your ideas of telling people how to train despite never a day in your life training a regimen designed to succeed in this specific sport (which I did a whole thread on why not to take the tone of "I don't get it, there's better ways" about Sports rich with SUCCESSFUL traditions"). Okay? Let's begin at the beginning:

I can see the importance of getting strong abs through heavy deadlifts and low rep ab exercises.

First of all the problem with this is that Boxers below the heavyweight division do not traditionally lift weights. Now we've had every debate as to why, and I personally have never seen a reason nor viable example to stray away from this tradition. I myself fight at 147, but I walk around heavier. With as much training as I do (2 sessions per day, up to 6 days per week), fitting in weights would just be too much. The floor exercises give me as much strength as I need without the risk of either injury or just plain overworking the muscles. Cardio is much more important, as is muscle endurance, for which high-rep bodyweight exercises are much more viable. One could argue high-rep weights are just as viable, but again, there's just not more reason to do that versus floor exercises. Now out of the routines of many many former World Champion Boxers I've seen, I've only seen two lower weight class fighters take exception to this. Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton. Hatton has a very odd style dependant upon physical strength, and his body-type responds well to weight training, and also he detracts from other areas of his training to add in the weights. I doubt very few other people have his natural gifts, so there's not a whole lot of reason to copy his routine which features weights. Kostya Tszyu is a physical exception simply because he's gifted as an athlete to where he has astonishing muscle endurance naturally. So his body can withstand both lifting and a full Boxing regimen. This is very rare. However the very simple floor exercises + running + technique training has led many people who are not exceptionally gifted to World Titles. So what's better? A basic formula that works? Or people who have never Boxed or won Titles telling people otherwise?

I can kind of see doing bodybuilding reps to enlarge your abs for added cusion.

No one in Boxing wants large abs. Remember, Professional Boxing is also a gambling Sport. Hell gambling is most of the Sport's vitality honestly. So, if they see someone with large abs the betting odds are going to go one way. One could argue this is good because you could have someone you know bet the farm against you, but it won't always work out that way. Reason being agility is very important in the ring. Having large abs could get in the way of this, it could throw off the dimensions of torquing and twisting the core to be able to punch properly, and bobbing and weaving to avoid getting hit. Also in Boxing, bigger bodyparts = bigger target. Even if someone's abs had added cushioning, if they were distended, that's where I'd be punching. If I focus on that, chances of landing a liver or kidney shot are increased. Now, looking at someone with a toned flat 6-pack it has the aesthetic ideal of being like a sheet of metal. You're not so sure if you punch them there it'll hurt or not.

Now, if you WANT to not do sit-ups because you're afraid of them you can make any excuse you want. Like using the internet as a means of making a decision based in opinions of people who don't do what it is you're asking in the first-place (which should be taken into consideration). I'm not saying that's your perspective, but I'll know by your response, which will be if you take every viable reason in the Professional game I gave you and attempt to dismantle it when odds are you have never trained this way a day in your life.

This is the reason I called it rude. It's simple etiquette. You don't walk into a Muay Thai gym and go "Why do Muay Thai guys do a lot of kicking drills, I mean pshhh, there's better ways, I don't understand." The best way to make a decision, find out how they train and do what they do. If it works, stick to it.

Just keep in-mind that what you're questioning here are not simple gym practises that people with no credibility are feeding you. You're questioning things that have been done by and continue to be done by people who win titles, and make money doing this. So don'tbe shocked if they're a little touchy about it. The simplest answer is they do it because it works.
 
A lot of guys will swear by high repetition bodyweight stuff, while others will live and die by heavy powerlifter-esque stuff. I don't want to be forced to choose, so I do both. I can then ensure I am improving both my muscular endurance and getting "stronger". That wasn't your question, though.

How can you support heavy weighted core movements that strength your abdominals, while sort of condemning high-rep bodyweight core movements that also strengthen your abs (albeit in a different way)? If I follow your line of thought, I could ask "What are the benefits of heavy deadlifts and weighted core work other than getting better at those movements?". Well, the answer (that you're not seeing with your initial argument) is that it makes you stronger, which augments your boxing ability. With 500+ sit-ups, it improves your muscular endurance, which again augments your boxing ability as you're able to absorb withering body shots and torque your body behind your punches round after round.

"Sit-up" muscle endurance translates to abdominal muscular endurance which is vital in the sport of boxing. While boxing itself will train the core to some extent (through sparring and absorbing punches as well as twisting your body into your strikes), high rep bodyweight work effectively supplements that training. That's like asking "why use the speedbag? It only helps you hit the speedbag longer!" Well, no, it improves muscular endurance in the arms, back and shoulders, which can only help your game, although it is a less "sport-specific" form of conditioning then say, sparring or hammering on the heavybag.

Hope some of this is coherent I'm tired - ironic cause I just got home from the gym where we finished our training with a few hundreds situps ha
 
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