Why Atheism is fundamentally flawed

[Cow Pie]

Yawn. And you are a moron who thinks he can chide me into anger. Is it really so hard to believe that two people can disagree with you on the same thing?

No, actually I just had an engineer and a few others disagree with me last week on what the center of the earth was comprised of, I said it contains nickel which they disagreed.

O RLY? Is that why you require "faith" to answer your questions? Is that why you demand "intellegent design" to answer what you find too confusing and incomprehensible for science to answer? You don't think that maybe--just maybe--the answer is there and just needs discovering, just like everything thing else that has been chalked up to God for the past 10,000 years?

When have I EVER argued for Intelligent Design?????

"You don't think that maybe--just maybe--the answer is there and just needs discovering"...............so science will eventual be able to answer all inquiries of man? .......sounds like faith to me.

I thought it was coherent, but I'll rephrase:

You don't seem to be inquisitive, you seem to demand answers and contrive answers when some aren't readily availiable or when they seem displeasing to you. The answer to "What is the meaning of life?" may be--there is no meaning. However this option isn't considered because it is do displeasing to you.

So--if the answers you give yourself, or anyone gives themselves, suitable if they simply make a person feel better? Or is truth, real truth, what is really important.

If I am interested in something I don't come to you....I go research it. The fact that you say I "demand answers" clearly shows that I am inquisitive. I have read the Altreligion webpage before and I think his analysis on Jesus Christ and Christianity is no better than Dan Browns.

If there is no meaning to life then what is the point of living in a "moral" or "ethical" way. Don't you find making a difference in someone's life compelling? If life has no meaning than your posts on here are meaningless.


Let's just take the idea of the Gospel for a second. Jesus Christ died for your transgressions and mine because we have failed to live according to his moral law. How can anyone think this makes them feel better about themself? Since I believe that Christ is the truth about God, then yes, truth is above all else the most important thing whether it makes us feel better about ourselves or not,

 

[RichC123]

An alternative to it.

There is only one alternative. Either you believe in a god or you don't. That means that the same thing could be said of people who believe in god... they lack an alternative.

 

[xceptionalguysd]

Why are you so worried about this type of thing, I mean it seems as though you all ALREADY have your views set in stone. No one in here is really budging on their take on how the universe came to be, even though no one is there to observe what happened.

What is the point of all this redundancy? I can understand if it is just to boost your posts or something like that, because we know that there is only so much to talk about in MMA.

Scientist state that it was a Big Bang (ala.. Hawking) No scientist agrees with each other on how it came to be or why, or when or even what caused it.

Bible Belivers say it was creation, this account covers everything. What existed prior to creation, how long it took to make, what happened to bring it to the current state it is today from the perfect state as created. To what will happen to it at the end.

Scientists offer nothing to us that is valuable to us as human beings as to why we are here, how we came to be and if we have any purpose.

The Bible states hope and love for us and our important purpose and use as individuals.

Which makes more sense or better yet, which one is better for you?

 

[Reaper Man]

Why are you so worried about this type of thing, I mean it seems as though you all ALREADY have your views set in stone. No one in here is really budging on their take on how the universe came to be, even though no one is there to observe what happened.

What is the point of all this redundancy? I can understand if it is just to boost your posts or something like that, because we know that there is only so much to talk about in MMA.

You don't up you post counts in Wasteland genius. Why I argue with you people is a mystery to me. I think I am a closet masochist. Honestly--I do not honestly understand how you guys can seriously persist in your illogical ramblings. Eventually it would catch up with me.

Scientist state that it was a Big Bang (ala.. Hawking) No scientist agrees with each other on how it came to be or why, or when or even what caused it.

Bible Belivers say it was creation, this account covers everything. What existed prior to creation, how long it took to make, what happened to bring it to the current state it is today from the perfect state as created. To what will happen to it at the end.

Are you proposing that absolute certainty in a book written 2000 years ago without questioning any of it is a good thing? Better yet, is superior to science?

Scientists offer nothing to us that is valuable to us as human beings as to why we are here, how we came to be and if we have any purpose.

What if that is because we have no purpose other than what we make for ourselves?

The Bible states hope and love for us and our important purpose and use as individuals.

Which makes more sense or better yet, which one is better for you?

I can tell you what sounds more comfortable...but is comfort more valuable than truth?

 

[xceptionalguysd]

You don't up you post counts in Wasteland genius. Why I argue with you people is a mystery to me. I think I am a closet masochist. Honestly--I do not honestly understand how you guys can seriously persist in your illogical ramblings. Eventually it would catch up with me.


Are you proposing that absolute certainty in a book written 2000 years ago without questioning any of it is a good thing? Better yet, is superior to science?


What if that is because we have no purpose other than what we make for ourselves?



I can tell you what sounds more comfortable...but is comfort more valuable than truth?

You tell me if comfort is more valuable than truth. Since you seem to be living comfortable? I will take truth everytime. But since the truth allows for more comfort, then I am in good shape on both accounts. By the way, nice Terminator 2 Quote. ha ha

 

[The Pink Panthe]

There is only one alternative. Either you believe in a god or you don't. That means that the same thing could be said of people who believe in god... they lack an alternative.

Yes you are absolutely correct. Nail on the head boyo. There is only one alternative. And as you don't believe that there is a God, then what is it that you believe in?
You believe in nothing? If you say you believe in 'something', I expect you to tell me what that something is. If you can't, then you believe in nothing.
NOT believing in something is not believing. What is it that you do believe in?

 

[Reaper Man]

You tell me if comfort is more valuable than truth. Since you seem to be living comfortable?

You're telling me it is more comfortable to not believe in God? It's not more comfortable to know you rest in moral certitudes? It's not more comfortable to believe a big, all-powerful being in the sky love me unconditionally? It's not more comforttable to know that when I die, I'm guarenteed to go to heaven?

I will take truth everytime. But since the truth allows for more comfort, then I am in good shape on both accounts. By the way, nice Terminator 2 Quote. ha ha

Wasn't the Terminator quote: No fate but what we make?

You're an idiot.

 

[Reaper Man]

NOT believing in something is not believing. What is it that you do believe in?

Yes, I believe that there is no God. That is the viable alternative. I believe in a lot of other thing though. I believe I'm sitting in a chair right now, for example.

 

[xceptionalguysd]

yes I'm telling you that you are more comfortable without the fact of having to take responsibility for your actions, I don't mean such as crimes against laws, but moral laws in your heart. The difference between you and me is I have joy. I also have grace that I accept. Without grace then you will be judged by the laws which are written upon your heart. Meaning that no man can live perfect. At the end every knee will bow to God.

Yours included. Great to know the end already!!

kinda like playing chess with a master, he tells you he will checkmate you in 7 moves.

You can do everything you want, but at that 7th move, the game is over. You lose.

 

[Reaper Man]

yes I'm telling you that you are more comfortable without the fact of having to take responsibility for your actions, I don't mean such as crimes against laws, but moral laws in your heart.

How do you account for the fact that there are moral atheists?

Yours included. Great to know the end already!!

Sounds like this knowledges makes you awful comfortable...

 

[NickelDime]

to know for sure that there is no god is to know more than is humanly possible...
athiesm simply does not hold water

 

[Jay Pan ROKK]

Moral atheism is a religion ...

 

[Reaper Man]

to know for sure that there is no god is to know more than is humanly possible...
athiesm simply does not hold water

I reject God on the basis of a lack of evidence.

By your standards to know for sure that there is no such thing as (real) alchemy.

So non-alchemy does not hold water.

 

[Reaper Man]

Moral atheism is a religion ...

How do you figure?

 

[Reaper Man]

Wait, forget I asked.

 

[RichC123]

Yes you are absolutely correct. Nail on the head boyo. There is only one alternative. And as you don't believe that there is a God, then what is it that you believe in?
You believe in nothing? If you say you believe in 'something', I expect you to tell me what that something is. If you can't, then you believe in nothing.
NOT believing in something is not believing. What is it that you do believe in?

Well, you are correct. I don't believe in god. I believe in 'nothing'. Only because the in order to believe in something, I would have to regard it as true and it is that I really don't know... nobody does. One thing I do believe is that 'god' is not the answer due to the evidence against it. What the real answer is, I don't know... again, nobody does. Proving something false doesn't prove other things true by default. God is false, which leaves the field open for infinite other possible answers.

 

[Jay Pan ROKK]

How do you figure?

Wait, forget I asked.

... lol ...

 

[Jay Pan ROKK]

Life was clearly created ...

 

[Reaper Man]

JPR, you are proof there is no intellegent design.

 

[Jay Pan ROKK]

JPR, you are proof there is no intellegent design.

I dont know about intellegent design ...

But, life did not exist and then it just pop up, fiat lux !