Why aren't there more ezeikel chokes in MMA?

[Vaske]

I started training MMA recently, and yesterday submitted a guy with ezeikel choke. Made me wonder why there aren't more of those? If I'm correct, it was saw twice in recent UFC, and 2-3 more times in old times when people were wearing gi

 

[HangNail]

Get your shit straight dude, that’s the Oliynyk choke you’re referring to and it’s extremely hard to submit someone with it without a gi and if they have any awareness.

 

[Vaske]

Get your shit straight dude, that’s the Oliynyk choke you’re referring to and it’s extremely hard to submit someone with it without a gi and if they have any awareness.

Ok, might be. Seemed pretty easy first time, but it might be just that other guy had kinda shitty awareness

 

[efficientjudo]

I'd imagine the gloves make it much harder to sneak the hands / arms into place too.

 

[Vaske]

I'd imagine the gloves make it much harder to sneak the hands / arms into place too.

True, but I feel like not many MMA guys expect it. At least not on amateur level, considering it's so rare.

 

[tekkenfan]

if it were that easy id be drilling it daily

 

[mataleaos]

I started training MMA recently, and yesterday submitted a guy with ezeikel choke. Made me wonder why there aren't more of those? If I'm correct, it was saw twice in recent UFC, and 2-3 more times in old times when people were wearing gi

There aren’t many in grappling without the gi generally. It’s a pretty uncommon submission outside of the gi. I think someone needs to be a specialist for us to really see it.

 

[TeamKenpo]

The Ezekiel choke is one of my go-to subs in the gi. There’s actually a lot of room for error with the initial arm positioning, that can be easily adjusted as you look to finish the choke.
However, I find that room for error is virtually non-existent for the nogi variation. You pretty much have to nail the arm position right away or you’re not getting it. That’s my experience.

 

[Uchi Mata]

It's quite hard to finish with the gloves against a knowledgeable opponent. It ends up being pretty attribute based in the sense that you need to be just brute strong and you also need to have the arm physiology to get all the way across the throat while still having a tight grip in the crook of your elbow. It's just not very high % for most people.

 

[Fla graplr]

I use it all the time. It's my most high percentage no gi move from mount. It pisses off so many training partners that I try to use it less. People in comps get furious when It happens. There is some timing and strategy that go into it and that is why I think most people fail and write it off as a shit move.

 

[mataleaos]

I use it all the time. It's my most high percentage no gi move from mount. It pisses off so many training partners that I try to use it less. People in comps get furious when It happens. There is some timing and strategy that go into it and that is why I think most people fail and write it off as a shit move.

Sometimes I wonder if it's one of those things that we don't see much because we don't see it much, and maybe it has higher potential than we think.

I've seen Craig Jones going for it a lot in recent sparring videos and even in comp. He is going for them from mount or 3/4 mount and tapping people with it. Looks tight the way he's doing it.

 

[Vaske]

Also, I see a lot of people showing it online say you should hold your "choke arm" (one thats going across his throat) by the outher side of your forearm. But that seemed like very weak grip to me, and could possibly be easily broken. On the other hand, way Oliynyk does it, by holding biceps (or possibly inner side of forearm) seems like decently strong grip

 

[dmwalking]

It's ummmmmm pretty hard to pull off.