Who is the WWE GOAT ?

[kingkshon73]

Iron Mike Sharpe
Barry Horowitz
Skinner
Reno Riggins
Koko B Ware

Duke the Dumpster Droosy

 

[Andersons Foot]

This is my goat moment in pro wrestling history. I stopped watching regularly shortly after this. I started watching WWF the day the rock won the wwf championship the first time and between that day and the day this episode of RAW air'd this was the biggest crowd reaction I had ever seen.

I'm sure hardcore fans will bash me for enjoying this.

I enjoyed the shit out of that.

 

[AndTate]

Bret Hart is the GOAT. His top 5 matches, trump anybody elses.

 

[Thrawn33]

Bret Hart is the GOAT. His top 5 matches, trump anybody elses.

As a Hart fan what are your top 5?

 

[edirp]

Colonel DeBeers

 

[mirko>anyone]

While it is subjective, I can't believe all the votes for the Rock. Three pages in and only one mention for Ric Flair? Rock wasn't even the number one guy of his era unless SCSA was out.

My vote it for Hogan.

 

[edirp]

While it is subjective, I can't believe all the votes for the Rock. Three pages in and only one mention for Ric Flair? Rock wasn't even the number one guy of his era unless SCSA was out.

My vote it for Hogan.

HHH and Austin were the best followed by UT. Rock was just propaganda.

 

[RollSonnenRoll]

HHH and Austin were the best followed by UT. Rock was just propaganda.

Funny how Taker is never even in the discussion for these despite being a main eventer since his debut and still going 25 years later. Arguably one of the best big men of all time and some say the greatest gimmick that there has ever been but you never hear him on the Mt. Rushmore of wrestling. Guess it comes down to the fact that even though he was a top guy he was never positioned as THE guy except for those years on Smackdown.

 

[Avenger]

Stone Cold Steve Austin

 

[drewinthepoo]

While it is subjective, I can't believe all the votes for the Rock. Three pages in and only one mention for Ric Flair? Rock wasn't even the number one guy of his era unless SCSA was out.

My vote it for Hogan.

Flair is my #2 behind Shawn Michaels.

Honestly, going off mic/character work AND ring work, my top three overall performers are Michaels, Flair, and Savage.

Owen Hart, Chris Jericho, and Undertaker are all at least top ten.

 

[Stargazer Rex]

 

[Andersons Foot]

:icon_lol: nice

 

[gspieler]

While it is subjective, I can't believe all the votes for the Rock. Three pages in and only one mention for Ric Flair? Rock wasn't even the number one guy of his era unless SCSA was out.

My vote it for Hogan.

At his peak, he had it all. The athleticism, the physique, on-the-mic skills, charisma, ring psychology, could go over/put over equally well, etc. He was basically the prototype for the modern pro wrestler, and if he had not decided to move on to Hollywood, there probably wouldn't even be in a discussion about who the GOAT is.


Flair's an all-time great, but I think Hart wasn't too far off the mark when he said that Ric basically has the same match with everyone. As far as Hogan, he was the right guy at the right time. In terms of significance to the business, he's the GOAT. But by any gauge generally used to measure talent, eg ability to work, cut promos, ring psychology, etc he wouldn't even crack the top 5. The guy has charisma, is street smart, good looks, and came along at the right time.

 

[PEB]

While it is subjective, I can't believe all the votes for the Rock. Three pages in and only one mention for Ric Flair? Rock wasn't even the number one guy of his era unless SCSA was out.

My vote it for Hogan.

I agree about Hogan and I would add Ric Flair and undertaker my nephew is completely mad about the undertaker. The Rock was really never around long enough to gain a spot on Mount Rushmore of WWE stars.

 

[combat_rock]

Like it or not, being able to draw money is a factor in your ability as a pro wrestler. It's basically your job to get over. And even with the WWF hype machine behind him, HBK was never able to truly do that, relative to being a top guy.

And selling records is your job as a singer, so I guess Justin Bieber is one of the greatest musicians of the 21st century?

 

[combat_rock]

Ric Flair is an all time great, but not in WWF/E. I'm actually more interested in people's WWE Mount Rushmore's than anything because I think you kind of have to include Bruno, Hogan, and Austin. So the fourth spot is up for grabs. Personally, I narrow it down to Cena and Rock. Do you take the guy who was number 2, or at best 1b in a hot era, and who went on to achieve great things out of the business and shine the light back on the biz to some degree, or the guy who has been there through thick and thin, as the number one guy, managing to draw during a down era?

Even then, there are other considerations for that fourth spot. I'm probably going to get a lot of disagreements, but I think Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels cancel each other out. They were competing for that number one spot in the "new generation" but that was a down era anyway. I'd give HBK the edge for his superior mic skills and second act but it's largely a moot point.

Rowdy Roddy Piper is a consideration, if you feel the need for a heel representation, though the W/WWF/E has always been built around it's top babyface star. Speaking of which, where's the love for Bob Backlund? A long time top guy who helped set the template for the wholesome babyface that the McMahon family is so comfortable promoting.

Andre was a top attraction, and in many ways a pioneer in crossing over into pop culture, he gets a nod. Undertaker may have never been THE guy, but he's been a top guy in the company longer than any other. One time on this forum I mistakenly described his role in Macho Man and Miss Elizabeth's wedding reception as taking place in the 80's (it was actually an early 90's that looked like the 80's, grunge was slow in getting to the neon technicolor WWF) and marveled that a guy who was a star in a world that looked so different could maintain his relevance today. Hell, he's headlining the next PPV!

I'm throwing Macho Man into the mix as kind of a proto Rock, he was the guy that would have been the guy if it weren't for the guy, and he could play heel or face, and had a bit of crossover success, though not nearly what the Rock had, but then again maybe the world wasn't ready for the madness, or at least so I like to think.

Also shout out to Triple H, who like it or not dominated the post attitude era and won many titles during his time on top. Do his backstage achievements add to his legacy? Such is the uncertainty in deciding these things.

So my W/WWF/E Mount Rushmore has Hogan, Bruno, and Austin, and the top contenders for the fourth spot are the Rock, Cena, and Andre. I'm going with the Rock. It's kind of tough not to pick Cena so all different eras are represented, but let's face it, we've seen these two face off and while Cena's managed not to embarrass himself, Rocky's the man in these exchanges.

Honorable mention to the following:
Bob Backlund
Roddy Piper
Macho Man
Undertaker
Bret Hart
Shawn Michaels
Triple H

 

[combat_rock]

Also, the reason I'm so interested in the WWWF/E Mount Rushmore is because the overall Mount Rushmore is too much apples and oranges you got to consider Japan and Mexico, plus the 30s and 40s guys. It's just way too loaded for me to pick personally.

 

[Shamrockftw]

Stone cold or The Rock, no one else comes close (bar Hogan)

 

[Wariowokecancel]

I think this was obvious, and surprisingly late.

Discuss fellas

Wouldn't be this forum if there wasn't a Hulk, brother.

 

[Wariowokecancel]

Stone cold or The Rock, no one else comes close (bar Hogan)

If there wasn't a Rock or Austin, wwe would have died but WCW would have lived. Hogan was essential to rassling surviving and reaching the highs it did.

Ps not a Hogan fan.