Who had the more impressive career, Jones or Fedor?

[Steve-French]

Jones won both of those fights. You know this, but I didn't include them.

You're "done" because you have nothing of substance.

Jones is undefeated.
Jones has 10 title defenses.
Jones fought in the premier organization for all but 3 months of his career.
Jones has never fought cans or freakshows to pad his record.

You never specified if they were top 10, top 5, or just "ranked". You never specified who has more top 5 wins. You never listed either fighter's "ranked wins". We just took your bullshit numbers and showed how Jones has outdone your hero in every category. You should have left a long time ago, but you're being stubborn.

This is what Jon Jones's record would look like if he fought the same ranked opponents as Fedor did.

Jones beats Shogun to capture the UFC LHW title
Un-ranked fighter (His first fight after winning the belt would be a regional fighter not ranked in the top 250)
D.J. Linderman #35
Rich Franklin #12
CM Punk- non ranked pro wrestler
Gegard Mousasi #10
Shogun Rua #7
Egidijus Valavicius #65
Daniel Cornier #2
Tito Ortiz #14
Glover Teixeira #4
Stuart Austin #115
Anthony Smith #3
Thiago Santos #7
Santiago Ponzinibbio #7 WW as Fedor fought Lindland who was ranked #7 two weight classes down at MW



Jones's actual record and where his opponents were ranked when he fought them after winning the belt.
Rampage Jackson #4
Lyoto Machida #6
Rashad Evens #2
Vitor Belfort Not ranked at LHW but ranked #5 at MW
Chael Sonnen Not ranked at LHW, but ranked #2 at MW
Alexander Gustufson #6
Glover Teixeira #5
Daniel Cormier #2'
OSP # 12
Daniel Cormier #1
Alexander Gustufson #4
Anthony Smith #5
Thiago Santos #6
Dominick Reyes #8


Fedor didn't only fight cans, but he did take easier fights. Below is a list of what his opponents were ranked at before Fedor fought them. This list is comprised of all of Fedor's opponents after he won the Pride HW belt.It goes to show you that he wasn't fighting the competition he should have been while being the HW champ.

Fedor beats Nog and Captures the Pride HW title
Egidijus Valavicius- Not even ranked in the top 250
Kazuyuki Fujita- #35
Gary Goodrich- #12
Yuji Nagata- Not even ranked in the top 250
Mark Coleman- #10
Kevin Randleman - #7
Naoya Ogawa- #65
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira- #2
Tsuyoshi Kohsaka-#14
Cro Cop- #4
Zuluzinho- #115
Mark Coleman - #3
Mark Hunt #7
Matt Lindland Not ranked at HW, but #7 MW.
Hong-Man Choi- Not ranked even in the top 250
Tim Sylvia- #7
Andre Arlovski- #6
Brett Rogers- #7
Fabrico Werdum- #9 (loss)


After losing lineal HW title and has gone 7-5 since
Bigfoot Silva- #10
Dan Henderson- Not Ranked at HW, but #7 LHW
Jeff Monson- #31
Satoshi Ishii- Not ranked at HW, but #47 LHW
Pedro Rizzo- Not Ranked due to inactivity but ranked #22 beifore being pulled.
Singh Jaideep- Not even Ranked in the top 250
Fabio Maldanado- Not even Ranked in the top 250 but ranked #37 at LHW.
Matt Mitrione- #21
Frank Mir- Unranked due to inactivity
Chael Sonnen-#22
Ryan Bader #5
Rampage Jackson #49

Figures from Fightmatrix

http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/light-heavyweight-185-205-lbs/

 

[Serge421]

a fight is dirty,brutal is easy to understand this is not a dance.

Jones and his brutality is welcome he is a fighter his goal is to destroy another man.

A fighter need not have mercy,his profession is difficult.

do you have a rule for GOAT? GOAT is the best of all.

Jones is the best.

Since when wasn't Fedor bruttaly brutal?

 

[Undefeated Undisputed]

This is what Jon Jones's record would look like if he fought the same ranked opponents as Fedor did.

Jones beats Shogun to capture the UFC LHW title
Un-ranked fighter (His first fight after winning the belt would be a regional fighter not ranked in the top 250)
D.J. Linderman #35
Rich Franklin #12
CM Punk- Not ranked
Gegard Mousasi #10
Shogun Rua #7
Egidijus Valavicius #65
Daniel Cornier #2
Tito Ortiz #14
Glover Teixeira #4 (would be his next fight)
Stuart Austin #115
Anthony Smith #3
Thiago Santos #7
Santiago Ponzinibbio #7 WW as Fedor fought Lindland who was ranked #7 two weight classes down at MW



Jones's actual record and where his opponents were ranked when he fought them after winning the belt.
Rampage Jackson #4
Lyoto Machida #6
Rashad Evens #2
Vitor Belfort Not ranked at LHW but ranked #5 at MW
Chael Sonnen Not ranked at LHW, but ranked #2 at MW
Alexander Gustufson #6
Glover Teixeira #5
Daniel Cormier #2'
OSP # 12
Daniel Cormier #1
Alexander Gustufson #4
Anthony Smith #5
Thiago Santos #6
Dominick Reyes #8


Fedor didn't only fight cans, but more often than not he took easier fights. Below is a list of what his opponents were ranked at before Fedor fought them. This list is comprised of all of Fedor's opponents after he won the Pride HW belt.It goes to show you that he wasn't fighting the competition he should have been while being the HW champ.

Fedor beats Nog and Captures the Pride HW title
Egidijus Valavicius- Not even ranked in the top 250
Kazuyuki Fujita- #35
Gary Goodrich- #12
Yuji Nagata- Not even ranked in the top 250
Mark Coleman- #10
Kevin Randleman - #7
Naoya Ogawa- #65
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira- #2
Tsuyoshi Kohsaka-#14
Cro Cop- #4
Zuluzinho- #115
Mark Coleman - #3
Mark Hunt #7
Matt Lindland Not ranked at HW, but #7 MW.
Hong-Man Choi- Not ranked even in the top 250
Tim Sylvia- #7
Andre Arlovski- #6
Brett Rogers- #7
Fabrico Werdum- #9 (loss)


After losing lineal HW title and has gone 7-5 since
Bigfoot Silva- #10
Dan Henderson- Not Ranked at HW, but #7 LHW
Jeff Monson- #31
Satoshi Ishii- Not ranked at HW, but #47 LHW
Pedro Rizzo- Not Ranked due to inactivity but ranked #22 beifore being pulled.
Singh Jaideep- Not even Ranked in the top 250
Fabio Maldanado- Not even Ranked in the top 250 but ranked #37 at HW.
Matt Mitrione- #21
Frank Mir- Unranked due to inactivity
Chael Sonnen-#22
Ryan Bader #5
Rampage Jackson #49

Figures from Fightmatrix

http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/light-heavyweight-185-205-lbs/

 

[Melas Chasma]

Jones looked more dominant in his wins, the average level of competition he faced was better and hes not done yet. But on the other hand he was having one fight a year for 5 years of his 11 year run, and unless i'm forgetting someone hes faced a grand total of 3 guys (Gus, OSP, Bonnar) who he didnt have significant height/reach over, choosing not to go to HW even after he'd basically cleared out LHW.

Fedor gave up height/reach to most of his opponents, and occasionally fought guys well beyond the UFCs 265 limit. He had fights where he gave up a foot in height and/or 100+lbs. But on the other hand, his record is a lot more padded with B and C level fighters than Jones's. Plus he would take damage in his wins, sometimes looking in serious trouble.

Its an impossible pick for me. I just consider those two + GSP and Anderson to be the Mt Rushmore. No need to rank them.

You say Jones looked more dominant in his wins and that Fedor took more damage in his wins. That is incorrect if we talk prime vs prime. Fedor had 0 fights in his prime comparable to Jones vs Gus 1. Fedor never arguably lost in his prime or had even a close fight unless we count the Arona fight as his prime. Fedor also rarely got even hit clean multiple times in a fight in his prime, and he never lost a round in his prime. In short, Fedor was more dominant and took less damage.

 

[Undefeated Undisputed]

Jones never willingly participated in fixed fights

End thread.

 

[McDego]

You never trained chump lol

You would get choked by 140lb blue belt who got his blue belt via Renner gracie online academy.

Are you doing the little kid thing where you accuse other people of what you've done/haven't done because you're insecure and trying to be cool?

 

[Melas Chasma]

So if a fighter keeps winning he's dominant.

Yes, that sounds pretty dominant.

But if he keeps losing he's out of his prime or old.

Not always, but often that is a pretty good indicator, yes.

This was really a news to you?

 

[McDego]

This is what Jon Jones's record would look like if he fought the same ranked opponents as Fedor did.

Jones beats Shogun to capture the UFC LHW title
Un-ranked fighter (His first fight after winning the belt would be a regional fighter not ranked in the top 250)
D.J. Linderman #35
Rich Franklin #12
CM Punk- non ranked pro wrestler
Gegard Mousasi #10
Shogun Rua #7
Egidijus Valavicius #65
Daniel Cornier #2
Tito Ortiz #14
Glover Teixeira #4
Stuart Austin #115
Anthony Smith #3
Thiago Santos #7
Santiago Ponzinibbio #7 WW as Fedor fought Lindland who was ranked #7 two weight classes down at MW



Jones's actual record and where his opponents were ranked when he fought them after winning the belt.
Rampage Jackson #4
Lyoto Machida #6
Rashad Evens #2
Vitor Belfort Not ranked at LHW but ranked #5 at MW
Chael Sonnen Not ranked at LHW, but ranked #2 at MW
Alexander Gustufson #6
Glover Teixeira #5
Daniel Cormier #2'
OSP # 12
Daniel Cormier #1
Alexander Gustufson #4
Anthony Smith #5
Thiago Santos #6
Dominick Reyes #8


Fedor didn't only fight cans, but he did take easier fights. Below is a list of what his opponents were ranked at before Fedor fought them. This list is comprised of all of Fedor's opponents after he won the Pride HW belt.It goes to show you that he wasn't fighting the competition he should have been while being the HW champ.

Fedor beats Nog and Captures the Pride HW title
Egidijus Valavicius- Not even ranked in the top 250
Kazuyuki Fujita- #35
Gary Goodrich- #12
Yuji Nagata- Not even ranked in the top 250
Mark Coleman- #10
Kevin Randleman - #7
Naoya Ogawa- #65
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira- #2
Tsuyoshi Kohsaka-#14
Cro Cop- #4
Zuluzinho- #115
Mark Coleman - #3
Mark Hunt #7
Matt Lindland Not ranked at HW, but #7 MW.
Hong-Man Choi- Not ranked even in the top 250
Tim Sylvia- #7
Andre Arlovski- #6
Brett Rogers- #7
Fabrico Werdum- #9 (loss)


After losing lineal HW title and has gone 7-5 since
Bigfoot Silva- #10
Dan Henderson- Not Ranked at HW, but #7 LHW
Jeff Monson- #31
Satoshi Ishii- Not ranked at HW, but #47 LHW
Pedro Rizzo- Not Ranked due to inactivity but ranked #22 beifore being pulled.
Singh Jaideep- Not even Ranked in the top 250
Fabio Maldanado- Not even Ranked in the top 250 but ranked #37 at HW.
Matt Mitrione- #21
Frank Mir- Unranked due to inactivity
Chael Sonnen-#22
Ryan Bader #5
Rampage Jackson #49

Figures from Fightmatrix

http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/light-heavyweight-185-205-lbs/

 

[McDego]

Educate yourself, fool:

Don Frye:
“You get these guys, they bitch about somebody being one pound overweight,” Frye said. “Sakuraba and I, we both fought guys who were twice our body weight. And more than that, too. You’re talking real athletes, too.

“You’re not talking just some big fat guy who just got off the couch. That’s an idiotic statement, when anybody says that. You’re talking real freaking athletes who are fighting.”

Yeah, Zulu is one hell of an athlete.

Serious threat the the "#1 fighter on the planet".

Totally.

 

[Mixfight]

This is what Jon Jones's record would look like if he fought the same ranked opponents as Fedor did.

Jones beats Shogun to capture the UFC LHW title
Un-ranked fighter (His first fight after winning the belt would be a regional fighter not ranked in the top 250)
D.J. Linderman #35
Rich Franklin #12
CM Punk- non ranked pro wrestler
Gegard Mousasi #10
Shogun Rua #7
Egidijus Valavicius #65
Daniel Cornier #2
Tito Ortiz #14
Glover Teixeira #4
Stuart Austin #115
Anthony Smith #3
Thiago Santos #7
Santiago Ponzinibbio #7 WW as Fedor fought Lindland who was ranked #7 two weight classes down at MW



Jones's actual record and where his opponents were ranked when he fought them after winning the belt.
Rampage Jackson #4
Lyoto Machida #6
Rashad Evens #2
Vitor Belfort Not ranked at LHW but ranked #5 at MW
Chael Sonnen Not ranked at LHW, but ranked #2 at MW
Alexander Gustufson #6
Glover Teixeira #5
Daniel Cormier #2'
OSP # 12
Daniel Cormier #1
Alexander Gustufson #4
Anthony Smith #5
Thiago Santos #6
Dominick Reyes #8


Fedor didn't only fight cans, but he did take easier fights. Below is a list of what his opponents were ranked at before Fedor fought them. This list is comprised of all of Fedor's opponents after he won the Pride HW belt.It goes to show you that he wasn't fighting the competition he should have been while being the HW champ.

Fedor beats Nog and Captures the Pride HW title
Egidijus Valavicius- Not even ranked in the top 250
Kazuyuki Fujita- #35
Gary Goodrich- #12
Yuji Nagata- Not even ranked in the top 250
Mark Coleman- #10
Kevin Randleman - #7
Naoya Ogawa- #65
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira- #2
Tsuyoshi Kohsaka-#14
Cro Cop- #4
Zuluzinho- #115
Mark Coleman - #3
Mark Hunt #7
Matt Lindland Not ranked at HW, but #7 MW.
Hong-Man Choi- Not ranked even in the top 250
Tim Sylvia- #7
Andre Arlovski- #6
Brett Rogers- #7
Fabrico Werdum- #9 (loss)


After losing lineal HW title and has gone 7-5 since
Bigfoot Silva- #10
Dan Henderson- Not Ranked at HW, but #7 LHW
Jeff Monson- #31
Satoshi Ishii- Not ranked at HW, but #47 LHW
Pedro Rizzo- Not Ranked due to inactivity but ranked #22 beifore being pulled.
Singh Jaideep- Not even Ranked in the top 250
Fabio Maldanado- Not even Ranked in the top 250 but ranked #37 at LHW.
Matt Mitrione- #21
Frank Mir- Unranked due to inactivity
Chael Sonnen-#22
Ryan Bader #5
Rampage Jackson #49

Figures from Fightmatrix

http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/light-heavyweight-185-205-lbs/

Arlovskinwas ranked #2

Sylvia was ranked #4

Roger's was ranked #6

And Randleman just KOd #3 Mirko coming into the Fedor fight similar to the way Gonzaga beat Mirko and was feared coming into the Fedor fight.

You rankings bending, biased piece of of Fedor hating garbage lol

 

[Based God]

Fedor had 6 years of dominance and can crushed between big fights.

Jones has had 9 years and still counting of dominance and fights the number 1 contender every single fight since he won the belt in 2011.


Jones has had the better career by far.

 

[FrontNakedChoke]

Jones isn't done yet.

Fedor more devastating, but Jones is the better fighter and fought better opponents.

 

[Mixfight]

Are you doing the little kid thing where you accuse other people of what you've done/haven't done because you're insecure and trying to be cool?

I would literally beat you up with nothing but slaps. Like I said chump, I wish bitch ass losers like you had to post their pic with each post so those reading could disregard your shitty ass Fedor/ pride hating posts. A fat america who eats processed food on the couch all day while watching TUF re runs.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

The fun thing about threads like this is people arguing subjective likes and dislikes (the equivalent of what's the best rock band) are objective. Even better, they seem to expect everyone to like and dislike the same fighter. They also apparently expect everyone to like the same flavors of ice-cream, the same style of music, the same movies and so on.

All of which makes me think that no one takes what they're saying seriously, its just people trying to get reactions from other people. And that is always a fun read.

 

[Cat Biscuits]

Fedor being small for his weight class and was still putting impressive performances.

The fact that Jones also tested positive for PED's puts him out of discussion. Yes, Fedor may have been on PED's, but his competition probably were too. It was a level playing field in that aspect.

Jones on the other hand has been on PED's his entire career while his opponents have not.

Jones is also the biggest guy in his division, fighting smaller men and having huge advantages with his reach. He also has the blessing of all MMA refs since none of them will ever deduct a point for eye pokes that happen in literally every fight.

Jones feels like he's been cheating the system to be a "good" fighter because he's had every advantage possible, while Fedor has overcome disadvantages and still put on better performances than Jones.

Fuck Jones, he'll never be Fedor.

 

[Mixfight]

Fedor being small for his weight class and was still putting impressive performances.

The fact that Jones also tested positive for PED's puts him out of discussion. Yes, Fedor may have been on PED's, but his competition probably were too. It was a level playing field in that aspect.

Jones on the other hand has been on PED's his entire career while his opponents have not.

Jones is also the biggest guy in his division, fighting smaller men and having huge advantages with his reach. He also has the blessing of all MMA refs since none of them will ever deduct a point for eye pokes that happen in literally every fight.

Jones feels like he's been cheating the system to be a "good" fighter because he's had every advantage possible, while Fedor has overcome disadvantages and still put on better performances than Jones.

Fuck Jones, he'll never be Fedor.

Facts

 

[Undefeated Undisputed]

Fedor being small for his weight class and was still putting impressive performances.

The fact that Jones also tested positive for PED's puts him out of discussion. Yes, Fedor may have been on PED's, but his competition probably were too. It was a level playing field in that aspect.

Jones on the other hand has been on PED's his entire career while his opponents have not.

Jones is also the biggest guy in his division, fighting smaller men and having huge advantages with his reach. He also has the blessing of all MMA refs since none of them will ever deduct a point for eye pokes that happen in literally every fight.

Jones feels like he's been cheating the system to be a "good" fighter because he's had every advantage possible, while Fedor has overcome disadvantages and still put on better performances than Jones.

Fuck Jones, he'll never be Fedor.

Prime Fedor has the physical advantage of being faster and more explosive than all of his opponents, but only Jones' physical strengths are unfair right? And not Fedors?

lmao jones haters are hilarious

 

[Barteh]

Prime Fedor has the physical advantage of being faster and more explosive than all of his opponents, but only Jones' physical strengths are unfair right? And not Fedors?

lmao jones haters are hilarious

Visually it's kind of more impressive to see a small guy like Fedor or Tyson have the kind of success that they do.

You make a good point though that guys like those have advantages too and are pretty much genetic freaks. Fedor in his prime was a fucking beast.

 

[Undefeated Undisputed]

Fedor had 6 years of dominance and can crushed between big fights.

Jones has had 9 years and still counting of dominance and fights the number 1 contender every single fight since he won the belt in 2011.


Jones has had the better career by far.

And he's not even close to being done yet

 

[Undefeated Undisputed]

Visually it's kind of more impressive to see a small guy like Fedor or Tyson have the kind of success that they do.

You make a good point though that guys like those have advantages too and are pretty much genetic freaks. Fedor in his prime was a fucking beast.

Yes i agree

Visually, fedor destroying hong man choi and zulu looks cool, but in reality, fedor came in very close in weight to his two greatest wins: cro cop and big nog

Fedor was an explosive athlete as they come. It's hilarious how people say it's unfair for jones to have a huge reach but don't say anything about fedor's explosiveness and natural athleticism.