Crime White Supremacist Rally V.3 Aftermath

[Rational Poster]

I'd say so. We're at a point now where anyone smarter than you is a Nazi. Which is everyone here including your friends.

How did you piece that together smarty pants?

I can't wait for your breakdown.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

So your not a proponent of the first amendment?

And who decides who deserves beatings? The majority? And, what happens if one day the majority decides you deserve a beating for something you are doing? Will you then conform to the mob?

There is a reason our forefathers put the 1st amendment first on the list. It is most important to a free society and exactly why we are not Nazi's.

"Who decides who deserves beatings?"

What is Twitter and Facebook

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

So your not a proponent of the first amendment?

And who decides who deserves beatings? The majority? And, what happens if one day the majority decides you deserve a beating for something you are doing? Will you then conform to the mob?

Anyone who doesn't adhere to the strict groupthink of the left will eventually be met with violence. White nationalists were attacked in the same manner that Trump voters were throughout the election cycle. It's only a matter of time before "punch a nazi" becomes "punch anyone who disagrees with you." That is the flaw of the left. Unless you fully submit to their ideology without question, you will eventually become the enemy and do something to piss them off like James Damore recently found out.

 

[Rational Poster]

Agreed on all counts.

Conservatives need to be EXTRA vigilant to denounce and exclude Nazi/supremacist scum from their gatherings.

I tried to tell you guys this last fucking year. lol

 

[ShinkanPo]

Hmmm I think you may have a point. My mother in law is catholic, goes to church every weekend and such and votes democrat. She was teacher and big union person. However her brother in law is even more hardcore catholic and is a staunch republican. He is a gov employee. So maybe my example there wasn't the best. Maybe my perspective in that particular example is skewed because the times I've taken her to church it seems the majority is like her brother, and less like her.

Political leanings can be complicated.

I have immigrant relatives they are both Atheists they are hardcore repubs.

 

[Thunderflash500]

Anyone who doesn't adhere to the strict groupthink of the left will eventually be met with violence. White nationalists were attacked in the same manner that Trump voters were throughout the election cycle. It's only a matter of time before "punch a nazi" becomes "punch anyone who disagrees with you." That is the flaw of the left. Unless you fully submit to their ideology without question, you will eventually become the enemy and do something to piss them off like James Damore recently found out.

I hope we get to see Nazi vs Communist. I would enjoy seeing dead communists. Communists can't take over in America like they do in lesser nations. Americans have guns. I hope they go to Texas sometime. Tim Kennedy would probably love dropping a few communists.

 

[snakedafunky]

Anyone who doesn't adhere to the strict groupthink of the left will eventually be met with violence. White nationalists were attacked in the same manner that Trump voters were throughout the election cycle. It's only a matter of time before "punch a nazi" becomes "punch anyone who disagrees with you." That is the flaw of the left. Unless you fully submit to their ideology without question, you will eventually become the enemy and do something to piss them off like James Damore recently found out.

But the same can be said for the right.
I mean that old man wasn't attacked by your average liberal or person on the left.
He was attacked by the violent fraction of the left or ANTIFA whatever they call themselves these days.
You have the same on the right. Neo-Nazi's, skinheads. white Nationalists or whatever they call themselves would just attack moderate people on the left the same way.

It's not a left or right issue. The issue lies in the extreme of the two. But what both sides try to claim is that only the other side does it. And it's all people from the other side.
I mean right wing groups beat people up for over 100 years the same way the Commies do it for 100 years as well.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

But the same can be said for the right.
I mean that old man wasn't attacked by your average liberal or person on the left.
He was attacked by the violent fraction of the left or ANTIFA whatever they call themselves these days.
You have the same on the right. Neo-Nazi's, skinheads. white Nationalists or whatever they call themselves would just attack moderate people on the left the same way.

It's not a left or right issue. The issue lies in the extreme of the two. But what both sides try to claim is that only the other side does it. And it's all people from the other side.
I mean right wing groups beat people up for over 100 years the same way the Commies do it for 100 years as well.

There was no violence until antifa showed up. I do not condone the actions of the driver, but perhaps it will serve as a warning sign to the left that clubbing people in the back of the head and setting them on fire over a disagreement in politics will no longer be tolerated.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I'm going to stop you there because right here is where I think you are incorrect. It is not "growing", it has been here for years and years. They just were not this vocal, and less organized and fractured. But the ideology was still carried quietly by a lot of people. Now thanks to the collective of the internet, and the anonymity it provided these people were able to really speak how they felt. And when they all saw how many like minded individuals there were, they eventually became more emboldened.

So no, I don't think it is "growing". Unless by "growing" you really mean that they have become more vocal and re-organizing. Then yes, their noise is growing after spending a long time quietly mumbling among themselves. The people who already felt this way are just not afraid to let it out when they are gathered together. Individually they'll keep quiet but now the internet has given them a sense of unity.

Disagree with me if you will, but it's of my personal opinion the catalyst for them to really get pissed off was the election of a black man to office. Something that for most of them was completely and utterly unthinkable. And the road of the last eight years brought them here. People like Steve Bannon knew they were there, and knew the powder keg to really light a fire under there ass was there. Someone just needed to deliver a message that would give them the final rallying to largely unite.

So I wish people would stop pretending like they didn't exist before 2017.

I agree that there has always been white nationalist groups, but I cannot agree that it was Obama being elected that set people off. Obama's talk about criminals being his son sure did not help anything. There has been a lot of anti-white rhetoric being pushed over the years. I find it hard to believe that the white privilege, white guilt, toxic whiteness and deplorables propaganda has not had any influence related to what we see now.

If the left can claim that Donald Trump's words and hate speech are harmful, then their hateful anti-white rhetoric is just as harmful. Though, the left seems to believe anything they do and say is justified while anything the right says and does is hateful and harmful.

 

[jrams]

There was no violence until antifa showed up. I do not condone the actions of the driver, but perhaps it will serve as a warning sign to the left that clubbing people in the back of the head and setting them on fire over a disagreement in politics will no longer be tolerated.

Both sides got the protest that they either wanted or expected. It would have been like the other Antifa fights/protests if some lunatic didn't drive a car through a crowd of people.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Your response is almost as strange as that dude who brought up Mighty Mouse. I guess you realize there's no defending the actions in that gif so you have to go straight to the name calling.

If only you had real principles...

@HomerThompson dodged my question in the first thread regarding his thoughts on Antifa's sickening behavior.

 

[snakedafunky]

There was no violence until antifa showed up. I do not condone the actions of the driver, but perhaps it will serve as a warning sign to the left that clubbing people in the back of the head and setting them on fire over a disagreement in politics will no longer be tolerated.

Yeah, I wasn't going by this particular incident but rather that the points you made about the left can be directly applied to the right as well.
There has been a lot of violence from the extreme right over the decades. Long before the ANTIFA showed up in America.

It just seems that ANTIFA believes it's in their interest to start trouble at protests. While violence from the right comes more in other forms.
But they are both violent ideologies that attack people simply because they disagree with them.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

They mayor refused to comment on Antifa:

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

Yeah, I wasn't going by this particular incident but rather that the points you made about the left can be directly applied to the right as well.
There has been a lot of violence from the extreme right over the decades. Long before the ANTIFA showed up in America.

It just seems that ANTIFA believes it's in their interest to start trouble at protests. While violence from the right comes more in other forms.
But they are both violent ideologies that attack people simply because they disagree with them.

They dehumanize the other side by calling them "nazis" so they can attack them without remorse. They truly believe they are ridding the world of evil by doing this. That's what's scary. It's the same mindset that drives an Islamic extremist to kill "infidels."

 

[Quipling]

There was no violence until antifa showed up. I do not condone the actions of the driver, but perhaps it will serve as a warning sign to the left that clubbing people in the back of the head and setting them on fire over a disagreement in politics will no longer be tolerated.

Perhaps you missed it the first time:

The first violent incidents occured Friday when team tiki flooded onto UVA grounds and surrounded and beat a group of UVA students counterprotesting around a statue near the Rotunda. A clergyperson was also attacked and hospitalized. Antifa didn't get involved until the next day. Even then, there were numerous incidents of "conservatives" attacking nonviolent counterprotesters rather than defending against antifa.

White Supremacists at the David Duke speech charged local counterprotestors in front of McIntire Park, chased them into a garage, and beat several unconcious. One is still in the hospital. In another incident in the same area later that day, several attacked a woman shouting over David Duke's speech.

For fucks sake, the car ran over a bunch of locals and students. The local public defender isn't representing him because (s)he was in the collision.

The constant attempts to blame right wing violence on the left are wearing thin.

 

[TheGreatA]

if you are doing nazi salutes to prove a point and get a reaction of people, then you deserve a beating. No way should we be tolerant to nazis and just say well everyone is entitled to their views

And that is precisely why people will continue to use Nazi salutes.

People use offensive gestures to piss people off. If they didn't piss people off, then what would be the point in using them? If you think you can truly enforce other people to not use offensive symbols, then you've got another thing coming. We don't live in the USSR or Nazi Germany. A fine, a night in a jail cell or a beating from some Antifa goons, is not discouraging anybody from doing what they want to do. Quite the opposite.

Once the Nazi salute is treated with a shrug of the shoulders and a chuckle, nobody's going to be doing it again. Make a taboo out of it and there will be rebellious people to break that taboo.

Eventually we need to reach a point where imitating Nazis is no more meaningful than someone imitating Genghis Khan or any other historical "bad guy". Only then, do we break the spell that "fascism" still apparently casts over our democratic societies.

 

[snakedafunky]

They dehumanize the other side by calling them "nazis" so they can attack them without remorse. They truly believe they are ridding the world of evil by doing this. That's what's scary. It's the same mindset that drives an Islamic extremist to kill "infidels."

Yes and that's very bad. And I do understand the criticism that the radical left doesn't get criticized the same way the radical right gets.
They should both be criticized equally. If they both present the same radical tendency which I think they do.

But the extreme right dehumanizes the other side the same way. Calling them communist or leftist, Marxists or racial slurs.
They also think they ridding the world of evil and are on the right or good side. The same way most other extremists do.
There is no difference. But there seem to be a lot of people unable to understand that.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

Perhaps you missed it the first time:

I would need to see the raw unedited video footage to determine who was in the wrong.

 

[Quipling]

I would need to see the raw unedited video footage to determine who was in the wrong.

If that's the case, why did you spend the last two pages determining who was in the wrong?

 

[RockstarChris]

I have a solution to all of these problems. How about liberals stop being idiots and conservatives stop being idiots and lets all not be idiots together in peace and harmony.