Crime White Supremacist Rally V.3 Aftermath

[Steve-French]

Posted this in the 2.0 but it'll be locked soon.

A sampling of other white supremacist or neo nazi attacks in the past 10 years:
2009 - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting
2012 - Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting
2014 - Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting
2015 - Charleston Church Shooting

Note: that's not a list of all "right wing terrorist attacks" of the past decade, just ones involving WS or NN.

That's really awful stuff and people that share that ideology needs to be snuffed out, but that's not that many incidents over the course of a 10 year period. BLM can be linked to more shootings than that in 2016 alone and they are not even viewed as a hate group.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I don't understand why so many on the right are trying to place blame on the left. Yes Antifa and BLM tend to be violent, but you can't come out and condemn Neo-Nazis?

I lean center right and am far away from the current republicans, the hound man who ran his car into the crowd had no justification to do so. It doesn't matter if Antifa people were violent first. Fuck that guy and his white nataionalist friends. ANYONE attacking someone for their point of view is a shit bag.

If Antifa is being funded to disrupt the free speech of others and cause property damage, then the people paying them to do so should be held accountable for the damages.

Everyone in the middle needs to denounce all extremists movements. Don't let these idiots continue to drive a wegde between us with the extreme views.

The problem with hategroups like Antifa and BLM is that their intention is not to peacefully condemn "Neo-Nazis." They show up with the intention to start fights and destroy property. Antifa even goes to college campuses and tries to de-platform speakers they disagree with through violence and intimidation.

It is one thing to peacefully (and strategically) demonstrate disagreement. It is something quite different to resort to violence and destruction with the intention of silencing people.

 

[JadeOwl]

That's really awful stuff and people that sare that ideology need to be snuffed out, but that's not that many incidents over the course of a 10 year period. BLM can be linked to more shootings than that in 2016 alone and they are not even viewed as a hate group.

Because most of those so called "links" are based on nothing but supposition and delusion.

 

[HomerThompson]

Mod Note: Advocating for or celebrating violence is against forum guidelines.

Car Driver is James Alex Fields, a 20 year old white supremacist from Ohio who until recently lived with his mother and his cat. His high school teachers remember him as being obsessed with the Nazis. Was in the military for four months before being discharged for unknown reasons. Rumored to be off anti-psychotic meds.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/james-alex-fields-charlottesville-driver-.html

Heather Heyer, 32, was killed by the incident. She was a local resident.

Two local officers died in a helicopter crash.



Some white supremacists were injured too:
"Baked Alaska" bear maced, may suffer some loss of vision in one eye.

Some people are doxxing the more visible white supremacists:
http://gizmodo.com/doxed-white-supremacist-caught-red-handed-with-torch-at-1797800347

Peter Cvjetanovic wants you to know he's not an angry racist; he's actually usually calm.

FBI and DOJ are investigating violence, deaths.
http://nypost.com/2017/08/12/fbi-ju...gating-virginia-white-power-rally-attack/amp/

V.2
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/w...no-nationalists-and-their-apologists.3595069/
V1:
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/c...g-protests-in-virginia-video-graphic.3594647/

"It's a roman salute".

Is the guy in sunglasses in the bottom picture Jared Kushner?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Is it a concerted effort to smear BLM as one in the same as Antifa or just ignorance?

How are Antifa and BLM different?

 

[JadeOwl]

Is the guy in sunglasses in the bottom picture Jared Kushner?

You joke, but I would bet the next time he goes to the synagogue it's going to be mighty awkward.

 

[HomerThompson]

Don't forget before the 60s the racist were all democrats. Neo- nazis are socialist aswell the are only conservative in the idea of protecting white people.

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[DannyNL]

The next big rally, wherever it may be, cops need to take a stand on any violent participants, regardless of which side they are on.

If you came to protest peacefully or even yell or argue at people, fine. If you came for a fight, if you brought weapons and your main goal is to assault people and cause bodily harm, you need to be arrested and brought up on charges.

The police need to take control because as far as I can see, they failed big time in Charlottetown

 

[Grok]

That's really awful stuff and people that sare that ideology need to be snuffed out, but that's not that many incidents over the course of a 10 year period. BLM can be linked to more shootings than that in 2016 alone and they are not even viewed as a hate group.

Well I think it's a tough situation to call. If people linked to BLM go on to commit atrocities in growing number, then they will find themselves on hate group and gang lists. But the examples I cited are just American cases, done by people sharing an ideology that's easily over a 100 years old with multiple groups that have had political power at one time or another. And that list is just some recent NN/WS crimes; its not a complete list of "far right" crimes done by other groups like various militias and such (I didn't include those as they would not be relevant to this discussion).

But posters who either ignore the long history of far right hate groups violence, that obviously continues today, while constantly deflecting to BLM are being completely disingenuous and dishonest IMO.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I concede my example and viewpoint there was not accurate after some consideration of @JadeOwl and your post.

Dems interestingly enough win the majority of religious sects with some pretty fucking conservative views:

 

[snakedafunky]

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Lol, not even two pages in and someone showed his complete misunderstanding of the Nazis.
While also not understanding what "white" people were for the Nazis.
But let's not get into that.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I think it would be a good start by just admitting that any non-peaceful elements of BLM or Antifa are a direct reaction to about a century of far right racial bigotry and violence. That doesn't excuse violence for anyone, but understanding how violent groups lead to the creation of other counter groups.

This weekend I saw a ton of posters pretending (or maybe are that delusional) that neo-nazis and WS are some how new and only sprang up in the past few weeks "as a response to antifa"

White Nationalism is growing and I find it hard to believe there is no reason for it. It is coming from years of the media and universities pushing an anti-white male ideology. How many young white males are going to continue listening to smug remarks about how privileged they are, how white males are the problem in society, how toxic masculinity is ruining the world, how movies and TV shows have too many white people, how whiteness is a cancer, how whites should feel guilty and not react in a negative matter?

How long are conservative groups supposed to sit back and allow violent hategroups like Antifa to shut down conservative speakers at universities and attack right-wing rallies and demonstrations?

You just wrote it yourself, this is about understanding how violent groups lead to the creation of other counter groups. There is a reason Trump was elected and white nationalism is on the rise and it has a lot to do with the anti-white male agenda being pushed by the left. Things will not change until the left admits there is a huge problem with their arrogance, self-righteousness and double standards. If they continue with their anti-white racism, then white nationalism will continue to grow.

 

[LMP]

@HomerThompson your shit posting is awesome and adds so much to any conversation you take part in.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Is it a concerted effort to smear BLM as one in the same as Antifa or just ignorance?

 

[Armbars]

I've actually never seen anything besides rumor on the anti-psychotic drugs. Sauce?

Its in the OP. sorry.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

I do not support Neo Nazis but holy shit I love the butt hurt this is causing on the left!

I still remember many progressive leftists in here addvocating for violence and loving how the antifa fascists were shutting down right wingers and their freedom of speech.

Tremendous!

Agreed, murders and acts of terror are hysterical!

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

White Nationalism is growing and I find it hard to believe there is no reason for it. It is coming from years of the media and universities pushing an anti-white male ideology.

Solved! That must be it.

 

[gannima]

White Nationalism is growing and I find it hard to believe there is no reason for it. It is coming from years of the media and universities pushing an anti-white male ideology. How many young white males are going to continue listening to smug remarks about how privileged they are, how white males are the problem in society, how toxic masculinity is ruining the world, how movies and TV shows have too many white people, how whiteness is a cancer and not react in a negative matter?

How long are conservative groups supposed to sit back and allow violent hategroups like Antifa to shut down conservative speakers at universities and attack right-wing rallies and demonstrations?

You just wrote it yourself, this is about understanding how violent groups lead to the creation of other counter groups. There is a reason Trump was elected and white nationalism is on the rise and it has a lot to do with the anti-white male agenda being pushed by the left. Things will not change until the left admits there is a huge problem with their arrogance, self-righteousness and double standards. If they continue with their anti-white racism, then white nationalism will continue to grow.

Why is anti white racism a bad thing?

And there is no anti white agenda being pushed in this country.

White supremacy has always been in the country and has always been opposed, often violently, to non whites becoming equal to whites.

That is what is driving the growth of these hate groups and is why Trump won the election.

White supremacy is being challenged more vocally and many white people hate that.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Agreed, murders and acts of terror are hysterical!

You said it!

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Why is anti white racism a bad thing?

Are you being serious?