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Opinion White Collar Crime: a Victimless Crime?

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Who Investigates White Collar Crime?​

There are numerous agencies who devote resources to investigating white collar crime; none are really in charge of monitoring and protecting against white collar crimes, but each has a role to play. Almost every federal agency has some role or unit that is dedicated to the enforcement of civil or criminal violations, from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and U.S. Attorneys Offices.

State and local police agencies, state regulatory agencies, and even private sector actors, also have a significant role. From investigating fraud in obtaining drivers licenses to the theft of thousands of dollars by an employee to identifying suspicious activity and reporting it, the issues of fraud and embezzlement across the globe are occurring every day in nearly every geographic location. The bottom line is that everyone has a role to play. Whether it is identification, prevention, investigation, prosecution, or recovery, it is all important because each part puts another piece of the puzzle together.
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@Law Talkin’ Guy investigating Trump

Is White Collar Crime a Victimless Crime?​

White collar crime is a significant issue for everyone; it is not a victimless crime. It has a profound impact on everyone, not just the victims directly, but for all consumers and taxpayers in the form of higher costs, larger insurance premiums, payments, fees, taxes, etc. It also degrades the trust that is so essential in both the public arena and the marketplace.

The energy that anti-fraud and criminal justice professionals devote to the detection and prosecution of such deviant financial behavior can have wide-ranging and positive impacts, in terms of lessened losses, higher stop rates, and earlier detection. This also includes the ability to recover assets for victims sooner, before they disappear, are spent, or move off-shore. Since white-collar crime really hurts us all, especially in the loss of trust and confidence, it is important that this type of investigation is a priority.
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- You've been using God's name in vain. You cant hide your sins from his rightfull sword, Azrael!

What Can Be Done to Prevent White Collar Crime?​


Education is probably the first and most important step. Knowing what signs to look for, and how to confront these issues, is the best defense. Internal controls are important, and having strong procedures in place can help too. Business owners can also take steps to conduct background investigations on employees, with their consent and in accordance with applicable legal standards, to ensure they are not hiring someone who has committed fraud in a prior employment. Unfortunately, this does happen and the consequences are incredibly harmful.

Other simple steps, like taking an active role in the business, or reviewing bank statements and canceled checks, or business credit card statements, all can be a good way to let employees know that the owner is actually looking at the books. This simple step, plus the owner setting the expectation that any fraud will be dealt with severely and legally, is a good first way to show people that they are serious about the responsibility to oversee employees.
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Prevention entails a lot of possible means to ensure the crimes do not occur in the first place. Things like background investigations, audits, internal control mechanisms, frequent communication about expectations, ethics presentations, and many other types of ways can help to prevent these from happening. They are not a cure-all though and prevention is similar to culture; you can have the best strategy and execute it, but if it is not supported by the organization’s culture and leadership, it will fail.

How Are White Collar Criminals Able to Get Away With It?​

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- We arent criminals, Bat's! We're working at Epoch-times now!

Trust often enables a fraudster to start their theft or embezzlement. Sometimes they work in small offices which require a lot of close relationships, sometimes they work for major corporations or public agencies, that bestow a great deal of trust in the position they hold. The breakdown of that trust when someone commits a fraud is often very troubling and leads to second- and third-order consequences. Businesses close, families break-apart, the public trust is eroded. All of these are problems and rip apart the fabric of the community that we all rely on.

What are the Obstacles that Prevent Catching These Offenders?​

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By their nature, white collar crimes are often hidden in business records and transactions that may not be transparent. They are not as visible as a robbery, arson, or murder. Occasionally, they turn into red collar crimes, as my friend and colleague Dr. Rich Brody, a professor at the University of New Mexico, explains in a short video. Regardless, investigations are difficult, expensive, time-consuming, and fraught with potential problems. Oftentimes, they are complex and involve multiple jurisdictions or sophisticated schemes to conceal the crimes. Additionally, many people are embarrassed that they have been ripped off or lied to and do not actually report the crimes to authorities or their insurance company. It is hard to admit when something catastrophic like this has happened and some people just want to move on.

Why are Most White Collar Criminals Employed and Making Decent Money?​

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This is a great question and goes to the psychology of fraud. Back in the thirties and forties, sociologist Donald Cressey completed research and interviewed multiple fraud offenders incarcerated for some type of white-collar crime. In his research, he discovered that there were some commonalities between them. Some had a non-sharable or secret problem that they could not otherwise solve like being behind on a mortgage or having an addiction to drugs, alcohol, or gambling.

Some had personal failures, like financially-burdensome divorces or children with problems they were supporting. Some were involved in business reversals, meaning failures or loss of revenue. Others were physically or emotionally isolated, often the result of mental illness or depression, and this caused them to embezzle for the thrill. Occasionally they wanted to gain status, similar to the “Keeping up with the Neighbors” syndrome, where people live beyond their means to appear wealthier than they actually are. Finally, some have felt jilted or rejected by their employer and saw stealing as revenge, or at least getting even or getting what is owed to me. These are all very complicated and fact-intensive, but as you can tell, there is a lot going on with the psychology of fraud.

What Careers are Available in the White Collar Crime Prevention or Investigative Field?​

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White-collar crime has a host of different career opportunities, in both the public and the private sector. Ranging from intelligence analysts at state police agencies tracking different fraud schemes, to anti-money laundering specialists at banks, to the special agents across government agencies, white-collar crime investigators, analysts, auditors, and regulators are all great career choices. It is a high-paced world that often combines digital forensics, forensic accounting, complex investigative skills, psychology, and people skills. The stories are endless, and if the news is any indication, not going away any time soon.

https://www.stevenson.edu/online/about-us/news/white-collar-crime-questions-answered/
 
Difference there is that Donald is found guilty and Joe isn't accused, accused is his son. Since son is adult he is responsible not his dad...

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White collar crime might be prevented with relatively fast courts and huge fines + demand to compensate damages done.
Exactly this is stuff they does fear more than from some small prison term....
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Definitely not victimless. Ponzi schemes in particular. I did a ton of papers on white collar crime papers during my white collar crime class for my masters. We did two per week. I realize few are going to believe this, but I tend to be very verbose and the papers, which had to be at least 2 pages were a bit longer for me-some reaching 15 pages. We had to pick a person who committed a white collar crime for each paper. I tried to pick all mine from my own state for a local touch. I did very detailed papers listing victims and the harm they suffered and how much the pieces of shit gained and lost from this. Overall, I found that they received weak sentences and even though they had to pay back what they took, every last one of them were still very wealthy, which is so wrong. They should be fined as well as paying back the money so that they were knocked back to lower middle class. Take their house, vehicles, bank accounts, etc.

My papers had pharmaceutical CEOs, oil and gas company owners-one of whom, cut corners to spend less money and it caused a mine to collapse killing miners, and even a catholic priest who lived a very lavish lifestyle and spent over $1000 on alcohol per month.
 
Do you think with the Trump verdict there might be a few other politicians feeling the heat for some of their transgressions that they haven't been busted for yet? Will we see an increase of similar charges/trials in the future?
 
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- My pockets first. I meen america first!

Who Investigates White Collar Crime?​

There are numerous agencies who devote resources to investigating white collar crime; none are really in charge of monitoring and protecting against white collar crimes, but each has a role to play. Almost every federal agency has some role or unit that is dedicated to the enforcement of civil or criminal violations, from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and U.S. Attorneys Offices.

State and local police agencies, state regulatory agencies, and even private sector actors, also have a significant role. From investigating fraud in obtaining drivers licenses to the theft of thousands of dollars by an employee to identifying suspicious activity and reporting it, the issues of fraud and embezzlement across the globe are occurring every day in nearly every geographic location. The bottom line is that everyone has a role to play. Whether it is identification, prevention, investigation, prosecution, or recovery, it is all important because each part puts another piece of the puzzle together.
31122646585_d0b044da6c_z.jpg

@Law Talkin’ Guy investigating Trump

Is White Collar Crime a Victimless Crime?​

White collar crime is a significant issue for everyone; it is not a victimless crime. It has a profound impact on everyone, not just the victims directly, but for all consumers and taxpayers in the form of higher costs, larger insurance premiums, payments, fees, taxes, etc. It also degrades the trust that is so essential in both the public arena and the marketplace.

The energy that anti-fraud and criminal justice professionals devote to the detection and prosecution of such deviant financial behavior can have wide-ranging and positive impacts, in terms of lessened losses, higher stop rates, and earlier detection. This also includes the ability to recover assets for victims sooner, before they disappear, are spent, or move off-shore. Since white-collar crime really hurts us all, especially in the loss of trust and confidence, it is important that this type of investigation is a priority.
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- You've been using God's name in vain. You cant hide your sins from his rightfull sword, Azrael!

What Can Be Done to Prevent White Collar Crime?​


Education is probably the first and most important step. Knowing what signs to look for, and how to confront these issues, is the best defense. Internal controls are important, and having strong procedures in place can help too. Business owners can also take steps to conduct background investigations on employees, with their consent and in accordance with applicable legal standards, to ensure they are not hiring someone who has committed fraud in a prior employment. Unfortunately, this does happen and the consequences are incredibly harmful.

Other simple steps, like taking an active role in the business, or reviewing bank statements and canceled checks, or business credit card statements, all can be a good way to let employees know that the owner is actually looking at the books. This simple step, plus the owner setting the expectation that any fraud will be dealt with severely and legally, is a good first way to show people that they are serious about the responsibility to oversee employees.
50556720646_4a37d41bec_z.jpg

Prevention entails a lot of possible means to ensure the crimes do not occur in the first place. Things like background investigations, audits, internal control mechanisms, frequent communication about expectations, ethics presentations, and many other types of ways can help to prevent these from happening. They are not a cure-all though and prevention is similar to culture; you can have the best strategy and execute it, but if it is not supported by the organization’s culture and leadership, it will fail.

How Are White Collar Criminals Able to Get Away With It?​

16010530517_0f1efbdf56_c.jpg

- We arent criminals, Bat's! We're working at Epoch-times now!

Trust often enables a fraudster to start their theft or embezzlement. Sometimes they work in small offices which require a lot of close relationships, sometimes they work for major corporations or public agencies, that bestow a great deal of trust in the position they hold. The breakdown of that trust when someone commits a fraud is often very troubling and leads to second- and third-order consequences. Businesses close, families break-apart, the public trust is eroded. All of these are problems and rip apart the fabric of the community that we all rely on.

What are the Obstacles that Prevent Catching These Offenders?​

images

By their nature, white collar crimes are often hidden in business records and transactions that may not be transparent. They are not as visible as a robbery, arson, or murder. Occasionally, they turn into red collar crimes, as my friend and colleague Dr. Rich Brody, a professor at the University of New Mexico, explains in a short video. Regardless, investigations are difficult, expensive, time-consuming, and fraught with potential problems. Oftentimes, they are complex and involve multiple jurisdictions or sophisticated schemes to conceal the crimes. Additionally, many people are embarrassed that they have been ripped off or lied to and do not actually report the crimes to authorities or their insurance company. It is hard to admit when something catastrophic like this has happened and some people just want to move on.

Why are Most White Collar Criminals Employed and Making Decent Money?​

maxresdefault.jpg

This is a great question and goes to the psychology of fraud. Back in the thirties and forties, sociologist Donald Cressey completed research and interviewed multiple fraud offenders incarcerated for some type of white-collar crime. In his research, he discovered that there were some commonalities between them. Some had a non-sharable or secret problem that they could not otherwise solve like being behind on a mortgage or having an addiction to drugs, alcohol, or gambling.

Some had personal failures, like financially-burdensome divorces or children with problems they were supporting. Some were involved in business reversals, meaning failures or loss of revenue. Others were physically or emotionally isolated, often the result of mental illness or depression, and this caused them to embezzle for the thrill. Occasionally they wanted to gain status, similar to the “Keeping up with the Neighbors” syndrome, where people live beyond their means to appear wealthier than they actually are. Finally, some have felt jilted or rejected by their employer and saw stealing as revenge, or at least getting even or getting what is owed to me. These are all very complicated and fact-intensive, but as you can tell, there is a lot going on with the psychology of fraud.

What Careers are Available in the White Collar Crime Prevention or Investigative Field?​

sddefault.jpg

White-collar crime has a host of different career opportunities, in both the public and the private sector. Ranging from intelligence analysts at state police agencies tracking different fraud schemes, to anti-money laundering specialists at banks, to the special agents across government agencies, white-collar crime investigators, analysts, auditors, and regulators are all great career choices. It is a high-paced world that often combines digital forensics, forensic accounting, complex investigative skills, psychology, and people skills. The stories are endless, and if the news is any indication, not going away any time soon.

https://www.stevenson.edu/online/about-us/news/white-collar-crime-questions-answered/
One of my favorite authors, Terry Pratchett, had a bit about this in his book Going Postal - "

“Do you understand what I'm saying?"
shouted Moist. "You can't just go around killing people!"
"Why Not? You Do." The golem lowered his arm.
"What?" snapped Moist. "I do not! Who told you that?"
"I Worked It Out. You Have Killed Two Point Three Three Eight People," said the golem calmly.
"I have never laid a finger on anyone in my life, Mr Pump. I may be–– all the things you know I am, but I am not a killer! I have never so much as drawn a sword!"
"No, You Have Not. But You Have Stolen, Embezzled, Defrauded And Swindled Without Discrimination, Mr Lipvig. You Have Ruined Businesses And Destroyed Jobs. When Banks Fail, It Is Seldom Bankers Who Starve. Your Actions Have Taken Money From Those Who Had Little Enough To Begin With. In A Myriad Small Ways You Have Hastened The Deaths Of Many. You Do Not Know Them. You Did Not See Them Bleed. But You Snatched Bread From Their Mouths And Tore Clothes From Their Backs. For Sport, Mr Lipvig. For Sport. For The Joy Of The Game.”​

 
Do you think with the Trump verdict there might be a few other politicians feeling the heat for some of their transgressions that they haven't been busted for yet? Will we see an increase of similar charges/trials in the future?
2 Democrats are already being prosecuted. There will be more prosecutions when there's evidentiary cause to pursue them. As opposed to, you know, the investigations into Joe Biden that turned up exactly two tenths of fuckall.
 
I tend to think citizens who defraud other citizens via white collar crimes are victimizing people worse than what any low level criminal is perpetuating.

However, I don't feel bad when people defraud the government. Government officials are fraudsters of the highest level and commit white collar crimes against its citizens on a daily basis.
 
No crime is totally victimless.

Sometimes there is no real damage to ordinary people when it's legally and morally their money but still a crime.

Other times the crime destroyed hundreds if not thousands of life's.
 
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I tend to think citizens who defraud other citizens via white collar crimes are victimizing people worse than what any low level criminal is perpetuating.

However, I don't feel bad when people defraud the government. Government officials are fraudsters of the highest level and commit white collar crimes against its citizens on a daily basis.
When people defraud the government, it is you they defraud(if you pay taxes that is).
 
Definitely not victimless. Ponzi schemes in particular. I did a ton of papers on white collar crime papers during my white collar crime class for my masters. We did two per week. I realize few are going to believe this, but I tend to be very verbose and the papers, which had to be at least 2 pages were a bit longer for me-some reaching 15 pages. We had to pick a person who committed a white collar crime for each paper. I tried to pick all mine from my own state for a local touch. I did very detailed papers listing victims and the harm they suffered and how much the pieces of shit gained and lost from this. Overall, I found that they received weak sentences and even though they had to pay back what they took, every last one of them were still very wealthy, which is so wrong. They should be fined as well as paying back the money so that they were knocked back to lower middle class. Take their house, vehicles, bank accounts, etc.

My papers had pharmaceutical CEOs, oil and gas company owners-one of whom, cut corners to spend less money and it caused a mine to collapse killing miners, and even a catholic priest who lived a very lavish lifestyle and spent over $1000 on alcohol per month.
This. White collar crimes are far from victimless. You can find plenty of examples where they do far far more damage than violent crimes like robbing a store could hope to cause.

I listened to a really good podcast on pyramid schemes I’ll see if I can find. They often target desperate people who don’t have much to lose and take from them knowingly.

Our own government won’t do anything about it either. One of the most disappointing things I ever heard about our government was the “anti pyramid scheme act” which made it significantly easier for these places to operate. I think we truly are living in an era where our economy was a more riddled with scams than ever and it disgusts me.
 
Do you think with the Trump verdict there might be a few other politicians feeling the heat for some of their transgressions that they haven't been busted for yet? Will we see an increase of similar charges/trials in the future?
- No. Lets me be clear. Trump did the crimes, but if he wasn't a weak president and lound-mounth, they would look the other way around. He has been involved in this world, knew how to play the game, and thought he was above getting caught. They did teach him a lesson.

Justice is blind after all.
 
When people defraud the government, it is you they defraud(if you pay taxes that is).
Yeah, no offense @TeTe but I think it's not a good look that you came to that conclusion, to put it as mildly as possible.

And it's not just you; it's every citizen, taxpayer or not. A person who is on a disability pension, for example, still needs all the available government-supplied services that are available regardless of whether they have a taxable income, don't you think? What happens when those are cut due to "budgetary constraints"?
 
- They do get killed in some Asians contries. They do analize the scale of the crime will have on peoples. Were gonna never see that on here.
Yeah, it may have been one of your threads where I read recently 2 high level Chinese were being sentenced to death for fraud and bribery. I have said many times that it really pisses me off that while collar crimes are treated so lightly in North America.

Edit: when you're a government official and you steal from the people, you're stealing from ALL the people and it should be punished accordingly, but even 1 to 1 situations should be treated very harshly. The only thing about that is whether or not there is any evidence it has a deterrent effect. I'm guessing no but without data a guess is all it is.
 
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