Which is this week's bigger disgrace: refusal of Russia sanctions or witch hunt on FBI

[Trotsky]

It's really difficult to properly contextualize just how unprecedentedly corrupt the current American government is behaving, but the previously unbelievable level of hypocrisy present in these two specific developments warrant, I believe, a disgrace duel.



So, what's your vote:

(a) Republican State Department refusing to issue sanctions on Russia for their interference with the 2016 US Presidential Election that were voted on and approved by a staggering total Congressional vote of 517 to 5, a level of bipartisan agreement almost inconceivable on issues with such glaring partisan implications in the most partisan time in recent Congressional history.

or

(b) Republican lawmakers trying to discredit as evil anti-Trump Democratic surrogates several DOJ officials that are not only lifelong Republicans themselves, but some of which were directly appointed by President Trump, and have acted in direct controversy to recent Democratic aims. And all of this being in a brazen attempt to kneecap those Republicans' investigation into Trump and the aforementioned Russian interference.

or

(c) Something that the Democrats did to make these lifelong Republicans suddenly switch over to the blue side.

 

[Trotsky]

@Limbo Pete, this is pretty baldly more of a discussion thread than an actual news thread, so dump if you see fit.

I am just genuinely curious to see how some of the center-right position themselves in this clusterfuck.

 

[Fawlty]

That's a tough call but I have to go with (b), because it's truly massive-scale obstruction that completely undermines the rule of law on an institutional level. I consider the silence on (a) to be a symptom of (b). Lawmakers are willing to be complicit in Russian espionage in order to protect their party from losing electoral popularity, and to protect a criminal President and his good-for-nothing lackeys.

 

[Trotsky]

That's a tough call but I have to go with (b), because it's truly massive-scale obstruction that completely undermines the rule of law on an institutional level. I consider the silence on (a) to be a symptom of (b). Lawmakers are willing to be complicit in Russian espionage in order to protect their party from losing electoral popularity, and to protect a criminal President and his good-for-nothing lackeys.

It's appalling that, if I were not limiting it to just this week, there would be very serious additional contenders.

 

[Fawlty]

It's appalling that, if I were not limiting it to just this week, there would be very serious additional contenders.

There does seem to be a once-in-a-presidency level scandal at least twice a month.

 

[Gregolian]

As a guy that usually votes to the right on things OTHER than pot legalization or the issue of marriage equality...

A.

Mostly cause of the intentional consequences to me. It also could be cause I understand it more than the FISA warrant shit, and the implications tied to it.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Hey @Trotsky, remember when you said what you said in my signature?

 

[GSP_37]

How can the exec branch refuse the sanctions that were voted for overwhelmingly? I'm not surprised though. Smells fishy.

 

[Bamboozled]

I would say let's get the information first, but the FBI isn't interested in the truth and hasn't been for 50 years.

As for the sanctions, what good are they going to do? At this point nothing works, it's time to try a new form of diplomacy.

 

[SBJJ]

A Liberal screaming for Sanctions on a country that poses no threat against us

A liberal who can't fathom the FBI or DOJ did anything wrong because their target was someone he disliked

There are no real liberals anymore.

 

[SBJJ]

I would say let's get the information first, but the FBI isn't interested in the truth and hasn't been for 50 years.

As for the sanctions, what good are they going to do? At this point nothing works, it's time to try a new form of diplomacy.

Neocons and former leftists have formed a bond.

They don't even realize they have either. They just see hate for the same person

 

[Trotsky]

Hey @Trotsky, remember when you said what you said in my signature?

Yes, I do.

It's completely misleading since one is about whether 20 eye witness accounts is sufficient evidence for a finding of guilt, and the other is a personal opinion that a story about misplaced hand during a drunken photo isn't a huge deal....but honesty and/or basic factual distinction has never much concerned you.

And apparently neither does addressing thread topics. A shame, indeed.

EDIT: Also, it really concerns me that you still can't grasp that, in both cases, eye witness testimony is sufficient evidence for a jury to determine guilt. It's just that for one guy, the testimony is that he placed his hand on her butt during a photo and for the other guy, he molested a bunch of underage girls. The fact that you cannot see the comparative wrongfulness of those two acts is really concerning.

 

[Trotsky]

A Liberal screaming for Sanctions on a country that poses no threat against us

A liberal who can't fathom the FBI or DOJ did anything wrong because their target was someone he disliked

There are no real liberals anymore.

I have never claimed to be a liberal.

And your steadfastness in the face of reason is admirable. I mean, I don't admire it. But I'm sure someone does.

 

[SBJJ]

I have never claimed to be a liberal.

And your steadfastness in the face of reason is admirable. I mean, I don't admire it. But I'm sure someone does.

My apologies.

I confused you calling yourself a leftist with liberal.

You are becoming a lot like Bill Kristol and John McCain. Russia Bad! FBI good! Trump Orange! Putin Evil!

Meh. It's the narrative the media dishes out and some just accept it I guess. And yea, I'm just dumb for not accepting it

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Yes, I do.

It's completely misleading since one is about whether 20 eye witness accounts is sufficient evidence for a finding of guilt, and the other is a personal opinion that a story about misplaced hand during a drunken photo isn't a huge deal....but honesty and/or basic factual distinction has never much concerned you.

And apparently neither does addressing thread topics. A shame, indeed.

LOL... yet another example of liberals completely misrepresenting the facts to suit your narriative.

Your OP is another fine example of this.

Republicans - *BBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!*
Democrats - *YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!*

No intellectual honesty or curiosity whatsoever.

 

[Trotsky]

LOL... yet another example of liberals completely misrepresenting the facts to suit your narriative.

Your OP is another fine example of this.

Republicans - *BBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!*
Democrats - *YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!*

No intellectual honesty or curiosity whatsoever.

How are you not getting this. I edited this into my original response:

...in both cases, eye witness testimony is sufficient evidence for a jury to determine guilt. It's just that for one guy, the testimony is that he placed his hand on her of-age butt during a photo and for the other guy, he molested a bunch of underage girls. The fact that you cannot see the comparative wrongfulness of those two acts is really concerning.
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Can you indulge me and honestly tell me whether you're trolling me or you're just that stupid?

 

[GSP_37]

I would say let's get the information first, but the FBI isn't interested in the truth and hasn't been for 50 years.

As for the sanctions, what good are they going to do? At this point nothing works, it's time to try a new form of diplomacy.

The FBI didn't trick the participants to do the TTower meeting w/Russkies or trick anyone into money laundering or email hacking.

Doing nothing after a foreign country did an act of war via computer to fuck with election is inviting repeated fuckery in the future. No one is held accountable. It's the equivalent of Pres Chump pulling his pants down and inviting the foreign dick into his anus.

 

[HomerThompson]

I have never claimed to be a liberal.

And your steadfastness in the face of reason is admirable. I mean, I don't admire it. But I'm sure someone does.

I would argue that it's only theoretically admirable then.

 

[SBJJ]

The FBI didn't trick the participants to do the TTower meeting w/Russkies or trick anyone into money laundering or email hacking.

Doing nothing after a foreign country did an act of war via computer to fuck with election is inviting repeated fuckery in the future. No one is held accountable. It's the equivalent of Pres Chump pulling his pants down and inviting the foreign dick into his anus.

What do you think you'd see if you could view all the black ops cyber warfare shit we've been doing to other countries

Facebook ads and you guys are ready for war

 

[SBJJ]

I would argue that it's only theoretically admirable then.

Sorry not all of us accept the MSM Neocon view on things