Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[Fioretti]

I guess the two losses were vs GSP and Hendricls but wasn't Maia ranked when he beat Fitch as well?

Oh, man. I forgot about Maia! If I remember correctly, he got into the WW top 10 after beating Fitch. I could be wrong, though. I'll have to check on this. If so, Fitch went 3-3-1 against top 10 opponents in his UFC career.

 

[pankrat]

How is this an argument it’s obviously GSPs win

Hey man, you can take whatever stance you want but check facts and let your fanboyism asiide for a moment, please

- Fitch/Okami were very similar caliber of opponent going by record, rankings or odds.
- Okami had more top ranked wins than Fitch. At the moment of the fight and in their whole UFC stint
- Okami beat more former or eventual tittle contenders in the division than Fitch did in his
- Okami had been ranked for longer

- And stoppage > decision

So when every objective criteria you look at says that it is indeed highly arguable as they were very comparable caliber of opponent by every measure - or even slightly favours Okami - and in top of that Silva won his fight via stoppage instead of by decision, you saying "how is this even a discussion brooo" make you sound pretty stupid as I guess you can understand

 

[pankrat]

I'm a big Silva fan but Fitch was the generational #2 WW and GSP absolutely dominated him (should have pushed the boat out for a finish but that's a different argument).

Silva toyed with Okami granted, but he has better wins against stronger opposition.

For instance, KO'ing Belfort (arguably #2 MW all time) is a better win than 50/45 against Fitch

Can you ellaborate on why Fitch deserves the tag of generational #2 WW?
I mean, you state it as if it was set in stone. With no back up whatsoever. And that's far from certain:.

> During Fitch's run there was the following champions:

• Hughes 2 undisputed
• GSP 1 undisputed
• Serra undisputed
• GSP interim
• GSP 2 undisputed/unified
• Condit interim
• GSP 3 unified

Fitch failed to win a title during ANY of these reigns, not just GSP 2 when he fought him

> Fitch's record vs ranked competition in UFC is 3-3-1

> Fitch didnt beat any single WW tittle contender from his era, apart from Alves. His next top ranked win is #5 Sanchez by SD. And the next is Paulo Thiago who was only ranked for a few months in his career.


Label him as "the generational #2 WW" as if we were talking about Whittaker, who is taking on top5er after top5er and beating them, or Joe Benavidez at Fly, or Nogueira at HW is revisionism...and pretty gross at that.

Fich didnt really earn in the cage the label you put on him It rather sounds like some narrative pushed around here and people just parrot what they heard.

Fitch certainly earned the right to be consdered a legitimate contender and top WW of his era but when your argument to pick Fitch in this discussion is the tag you just put on him. I have to tell you that such tag is highly, highly arguable.

For the record, Okami beat more top ranked MWs than Fitch beat top ranked WWs. Okami also beat more former or eventual MW tittle contenders, than Fitch did at WW.

 

[Bouboumaster]

It's obviously the Fitch's win.

Aside from the fact that Jon Fitch has a victory on Okami himself (the argument should stop right there), Fitch was the unanimous second best WW in the World at that time, a division which was more stacked than MW and by a long shot at that.
GSP didn't finished Fitch but he absolutly humiliated his ass, so bad in fact that Fitch was never in contention ever again after that. GSP delivered his own Mona Lisa on poor Fitch.

 

[pankrat]

It's obviously the Fitch's win.
.

First of all, stop pretending there isn't even a debate with that "obviously" hyperbole, when every objective measure you want to look at and particularly rankings says that Fitch/Okami were indeed very comparable caliber of opponent.

Aside from the fact that Jon Fitch has a victory on Okami himself (the argument should stop right there).

Pretending that a fight both way past their pime when none of them were ranked is not only meaningful, but " should stop the argument right there" is very telling about the honesty and substance of your stance (Fitch beat Shields in his very next fight in WSOF btw, what a way of "stopping" arguments you have, mate)
Regarding the fight:

- First of all, Fitch popping for PEDs that same year:
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2015...-wsof-16-drug-test-faces-fines-and-suspension

- Secondly, pretty telling about how they were regarded in their primes that despite the news in the link above, despite Fitch looking as shredded as ever in his late 30s, despite Okami moving down to WW for the first time in 8 years and badly in the decline with 3 KO Ls in his last 6.....Yushin was still favoured by odds coming into the fight:

https://www.bestfightodds.com/events/wsof-24-fitch-vs-okami-998

- Did you watched the actual fight, btw? Extremely close 1st half of the fight in which Okami takes round 1 and then Fitch takes over in the latter part with superior conditioning , which relates to point 1, but given the honesty levels showed I won't expect you to care.

Fitch was the unanimous second best WW in the World at that time.

Typing World in capital letters doesnt make your biased revisionism more legit.

> Fitch's record vs ranked competition in UFC is 3-3-1

> Fitch's only ranked win coming into his tittle shot was #5 Sanchez by SD.

> Fitch didnt beat any single WW tittle contender from his era, apart from Alves.

....Okami had more ranked wins than Fitch, coming into the tittle fight or in their whole UFC stints.

Ia division which was more stacked than MW and by a long shot at that

Once again, a hyperbolic statement "by a long shot at that"....with no back up whatsoever. Just pushing biased narrative backing it up with nothing. Zero. Nada

Fitch's best fights (correct me If you disagree
Alves
Sanchez
Paulo Thiago
Pierce
Erick Silva
Gono
Burkman
....plus BJ controversial decision

Okami's best fights (fee free to correct me)
Marquardt
Muñoz
Lombard
Belcher
Swick
J. McDonald
Tanner
....plus Shieds controversial decision

I dont expect a honest assesment arguing why one list is "clearly" better than the other.
Maybe another void hyperbolic statement hyping up one side while discrediting the other.....with no back up whatsoever but a good amount of hyperboles.

 

[Fioretti]

@pankrat

I think you have Tanner too low on Okami's list. He was top 5, a former champ, and he beat him in a title eliminator. Not giving Evan enough credit here in my opinion.

 

[pankrat]

@pankrat

I think you have Tanner too low on Okami's list. He was top 5, a former champ, and he beat him in a title eliminator. Not giving Evan enough credit here in my opinion.

You are right.
I just thought that Tanner, due to his long period of inactivity (which was particularly toxic for Evan) is an easier target to discredit, but to be fair this biased dishonest haters/fanboys will nitpick anything anyways so yeah, Tanner should definitely be higher on the list.

 

[kellier]

Can you ellaborate on why Fitch deserves the tag of generational #2 WW?
I mean, you state it as if it was set in stone. With no back up whatsoever. And that's far from certain:.

> During Fitch's run there was the following champions:

• Hughes 2 undisputed
• GSP 1 undisputed
• Serra undisputed
• GSP interim
• GSP 2 undisputed/unified
• Condit interim
• GSP 3 unified

Fitch failed to win a title during ANY of these reigns, not just GSP 2 when he fought him

> Fitch's record vs ranked competition in UFC is 3-3-1

> Fitch didnt beat any single WW tittle contender from his era, apart from Alves. His next top ranked win is #5 Sanchez by SD. And the next is Paulo Thiago who was only ranked for a few months in his career.


Label him as "the generational #2 WW" as if we were talking about Whittaker, who is taking on top5er after top5er and beating them, or Joe Benavidez at Fly, or Nogueira at HW is revisionism...and pretty gross at that.

Fich didnt really earn in the cage the label you put on him It rather sounds like some narrative pushed around here and people just parrot what they heard.

Fitch certainly earned the right to be consdered a legitimate contender and top WW of his era but when your argument to pick Fitch in this discussion is the tag you just put on him. I have to tell you that such tag is highly, highly arguable.

For the record, Okami beat more top ranked MWs than Fitch beat top ranked WWs. Okami also beat more former or eventual MW tittle contenders, than Fitch did at WW.

That's some rant man.

Well I followed MMA back then and Fitch was the Sherdog and MMA Weekly #2 WW almost the entirety of GSP's reign.

You can look back on paper now to justify whatever revisionism you want, but paper records don't contain context like the UFC purposefully didn't book up and coming contenders against Fitch, because they'd get Fitch'd and GSP would have had no one new to fight.

Or how Fitch refused to fight AKA WWs and this also got him blackballed by Dana (Kos's charisma & creating a narrative with GSP cut him some slack)

Oct 2005 - Aug 2010 he went 13-1 in the division. GSP aside, he Fitch'd everyone they fed him. I lived through it so please don't try to gaslight me

 

[pankrat]

That's some rant man.

Well I followed MMA back then and Fitch was the Sherdog and MMA Weekly #2 WW almost the entirety of GSP's reign.

You can look back on paper now to justify whatever revisionism you want, but paper records don't contain context like the UFC purposefully didn't book up and coming contenders against Fitch, because they'd get Fitch'd and GSP would have had no one new to fight.

Or how Fitch refused to fight AKA WWs and this also got him blackballed by Dana (Kos's charisma & creating a narrative with GSP cut him some slack)

Oct 2005 - Aug 2010 he went 13-1 in the division. GSP aside, he Fitch'd everyone they fed him. I lived through it so please don't try to gaslight me

Thanks for the reply. Excuse me for the rant and my possible mistakes English isnt my first language

I'd agree that Fitch was better than his nº of ranked wins suggest, greatly due to what you explained. Said that, from there to the point of label him as the generational #2 WW when it wasnt really proven in the cage, for whatever reason, there is a stretch.

At the same time, that same lack of opportunities vs top ranked competition, its what allowed hm to maintain the #2 spot on paper for longer. Let's remind that Fitch's record vs ranked competition in UFC is 3-3-1.

You can call it revisionism but its not more that than you taking for granted he would beat everybody at WW not named GSP without been proven in the cage. Let's be honest, Fitch would not be that greatly favoured by odds vs every other top WW of his era for you take for granted what didn happen - lack of top 10 wins

He was not so unanimously considered the #2 in the division, by fellow fighters and the MMA community in gneneral, as you could say from Whittaker today, Nogueira or Benavidez in ther context.


>>

Regarding the other side, Yushin Okami, if you lived throgh that time you would know that Okami was notroiously relegated to the undercard often, given unworthy opponents as they did with Fitch and was long time denied a tittle shot that many pundits and fans claimed for him. Or you don't recall this?

Going by published rankings as you suggest, I'd say that they refflect them being fairly similar caliber of opponent btw:

2013 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-52775 - Okami #4

2012 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-40091 - Okami #3

2011 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-33703 - Okami #3

2010 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-28893 - Okami #3

2009 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-17131 - Okami #2

2008 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-15631 - Okami #4

In 2007 went to a extremely close dec with top5 Franklin (yeah, Fitch was largely denied the opportunity with top5 competition but its not likehe was tearing through #5 Sanchez, who took him to a hard fought SD)

In 2006 Okami took Shields to a highly controversial decision that most oberbers had Okami winning.

You can all that revisionism but its true that Okami's work in that Rumble on the Rock tournament, or his fight with Franklin, gave him lot of credit within the MMA community. If he was still not popular in sherdog (he was barely promoted by UFC and didnt even speak English) is another story


You took it as If I was trying to gaslighting you into thinking Fitch was not that good. Not sir, I acknowledge Fitch as a legitimate opponent.
The discredit here, in my opinion, is coming from you towards Okami. Even if he was not so popular as Fitch, is not unreasonable at all saying that he was regarded - within the MMA community, fellow fighters and pundits - as a comparable caliber of opponent than Fitch.

 

[HavokHarmon]

The "competing at a high level in the premier org" part is a bit of a stretch when he's not competing against the top guys. He was competing at a mediocre level in the premier org, and only won 50% of his fights against higher level (top 10) opponents. I understand and agree that a 16 fight streak is impressive, no doubt, but I guess I have to say it again....context matters. 14 straight unranked wins, 1 top 10 win, and then another unranked win to get a title shot is context that actually matters. How would top 10 wins be categorized as another argument when we're talking about the quality of opponent he was at the time of his title shot? Since we are comparing a 7 minute flawless KO to a lopsided 5 round decision, the only argument to be made for the Fitch win being "better" or "more impressive" is that Fitch was such a higher caliber opponent that decisioning him eclipses knocking out Okami half way through the second round. That's literally the premise of the thread. To show how much better Fitch was than Okami, in terms of quality, to justify it being not only a better win, but a better overall performance. In order to properly evaluate or assess these two fighters' "quality", top 10 wins has to be considered. How else do you gauge this in MMA? Win streak only? A selective portion of their careers before and after the fight? No, man. You look at where each guy was when they got their title shot, what their records were, what they had accomplished at that point, who they beat, and how often they were finished. Since Okami had over 50% more experience than Fitch at the time, we can also look at where each guy was at in both points of their career (Okami when he was 22 fights in, Fitch when he was 32 fights in) - I did all of that a while ago in this thread, look back if you need to. There's no case for Fitch. I like this part: "making the most objective possible argument to support my position". Well, there's a few things wrong with that sentence. First, it appears you're trying to justify your position by carefully selecting a portion of Fitch's career and then use targeted phrasing to intentionally mislead others believe your position is valid or true. Second, I don't believe it's objective. He was 19-2 with 1 NC when he faced GSP. He was on a 16 fight win streak where he faced only one top 10 guy and won by split decision, then beat an unranked fighter making his UFC debut to win his title shot. He had been finished in 100% of losses and wasn't even a ranked fighter himself for a full year yet. That, my friend, is facts. That is an objective and non-biased assessment of where Fitch was at in his career when he fought GSP for the title. Most importantly, the fact that you're "making an argument to support a position" (your own words) means you're biased. A proper, objective, and non-biased assessment doesn't require an argument to support a position. It requires objective facts to support the outcome. I hope you can understand the difference.

I reject your first salient proposition outright; I think there’s a strong argument to be made that the way Fitch was beaten held more value than finishing Okami. I also understand the argument that a finish is basically always superior. I reject both arguments on equal terms and call it a wash.

I also don’t think you understand how this works. We’re both making arguments to support our positions. That’s how this conversation is taking place. Assuming a predetermined conclusion and then finding an argument to back that conclusion would be indicative of bias. Which isn’t what I’m doing. Understand the difference.

And yes, the things you are saying (apart from the commentary heavily sprinkled in) are by and large factual. So are the things I’m saying. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

In any case, where Fitch was at the time was ranked p4p top 10. Okami wasn’t. I’m trying to explain to you the underlying facts as they pertain to why that was. There’s a reason this poll is so heavily lopsided, and it isn’t bias.

 

[kellier]

Can you ellaborate on why Fitch deserves the tag of generational #2 WW?
I mean, you state it as if it was set in stone. With no back up whatsoever. And that's far from certain:.

> During Fitch's run there was the following champions:

• Hughes 2 undisputed
• GSP 1 undisputed
• Serra undisputed
• GSP interim
• GSP 2 undisputed/unified
• Condit interim
• GSP 3 unified

Fitch failed to win a title during ANY of these reigns, not just GSP 2 when he fought him

> Fitch's record vs ranked competition in UFC is 3-3-1

> Fitch didnt beat any single WW tittle contender from his era, apart from Alves. His next top ranked win is #5 Sanchez by SD. And the next is Paulo Thiago who was only ranked for a few months in his career.


Label him as "the generational #2 WW" as if we were talking about Whittaker, who is taking on top5er after top5er and beating them, or Joe Benavidez at Fly, or Nogueira at HW is revisionism...and pretty gross at that.

Fich didnt really earn in the cage the label you put on him It rather sounds like some narrative pushed around here and people just parrot what they heard.

Fitch certainly earned the right to be consdered a legitimate contender and top WW of his era but when your argument to pick Fitch in this discussion is the tag you just put on him. I have to tell you that such tag is highly, highly arguable.

For the record, Okami beat more top ranked MWs than Fitch beat top ranked WWs. Okami also beat more former or eventual MW tittle contenders, than Fitch did at WW.

Also Hughes and Condit were not the same generation as Fitch. Just because their periods on the UFC roster intertwined, doesn't mean that they were at a similar level at similar stages.

Hughes last great performance was Hughes v Penn 2 in Sep 06. He lost the belt to GSP in Nov 06. If you watched the fights at the time, you'd know Hughes wasn't seen as a top contender when he fought Serra or Renzo.

Similarly, Condit's. 1st fight in the UFC was Apr 2009 after WEC folded WW. He lost to Kampmann and certainly wasn't a peer to Fitch. His title shots were Nov 12 v GSP & Jan 16 v Lawler (where he was on a 1 fight win streak). Interim also meant nothing. It was a ploy to get GSP to fight Diaz when GSP said he didn't deserve it.

 

[kellier]

Thanks for the reply. Excuse me for the rant and my possible mistakes English isnt my first language

I'd agree that Fitch was better than his nº of ranked wins suggest, greatly due to what you explained. Said that, from there to the point of label him as the generational #2 WW when it wasnt really proven in the cage, for whatever reason, there is a stretch.

At the same time, that same lack of opportunities vs top ranked competition, its what allowed hm to maintain the #2 spot on paper for longer. Let's remind that Fitch's record vs ranked competition in UFC is 3-3-1.

You can call it revisionism but its not more that than you taking for granted he would beat everybody at WW not named GSP without even close to be proven in the cage. Let's be honest, he would not be that greatly favoured by odds vs every other top WW of his era, or do you think so?

He was not so unanimously considered the #2 in the division, by fellow fighters and the MMA community in gneneral, as you could say from Whittaker today, Nogueira or Benavidez in ther context.


>>

Regarding the other side, Yusin Okami, if you lived throgh that time, you would also know that Okami was notroiously relegated to the undercard often, given unworthy opponents as they did with Fitch and lwas ong time denied a tittle shot any pundit and fans claimed for him. Or you don't recall this?

Going by published rankings as you suggest, I'd say again show that they were fairly similar caliber of opponent btw:

2013 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-52775 - Okami #4

2012 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-40091 - Okami #3

2011 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-33703 - Okami #3

2010 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-28893 - Okami #3

2009 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-17131 - Okami #2

2008 - https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-15631 - Okami #4

In 2007 went to a extremely close dec with top5 Franklin (yeah, Fitch was largely denied the opportunity with top5 competition but its not likehe was tearing trough #5 Sanchez, who tok him to a hard fo)ught SD

In 2006 Okami took Shields to a highly controversial decision that most obersbers had Okami winning.

You can all that revisionism but its true that Okami's work in that Rumble on the Rock tournament, or his fight with Franklin, game him lot of credit within the MMA community if he was not that popular in sherdog.


You took it as If I was trying to gaslighting you into thinking Fitch was not that good. Not sir, I acknowledge Fitch as a legitimate opponent.
The discredit here, in my opinion, is coming from you towards Okami. Even if he was not so popular as Fitch, is not unreasonable at all saying that he was regarded - within the MMA community, fellow fighters and pundits - as a comparable caliber of opponent than Fitch.

Maybe someone with admin & mod status can check Sherdog historical rankings data to verify Fitch's weeks/months @ #2.

For a long time, it was like death & taxes. Nobody with momentum wanted to fight a guy who was phenomenal at smothering you and the UFC didn't want to book anyone they were pushing against a guy who was going to make them look ordinary.

Its unfortunate Fitch's style and lack of finishes meant he never got back into title contention

 

[kellier]

Okami was a solid top 5 MW for a long time. Sonnen loss killed his momentum.

He wasn't the bogeyman in the MW division. That was Vitor

 

[pankrat]

Maybe someone with admin & mod status can check Sherdog historical rankings data to verify Fitch's weeks/months @ #2.

For a long time, it was like death & taxes. Nobody with momentum wanted to fight a guy who was phenomenal at smothering you and the UFC didn't want to book anyone they were pushing against a guy who was going to make them look ordinary.

Its unfortunate Fitch's style and lack of finishes meant he never got back into title contention

I agree with you about Fitch.

You ignored my two poins related to it:

1. Not given the opportunity to fight top5 competition, also means that you are not testing the #2 spot that you have on paper (rankings). We can agree on that, right? Not meaning as a discredit for Fitch but let's be honest in both ways. Fitch's record vs ranked competition in UFC is 3-3-1

2. Okami was also a victim of what you say about Fitch, for the exact same reasons you said. It seems to be like you turn the discussion into giving Fitch his due credit - which is fine and I agree - while discrediting or just ignoring the other side.

Okami was notoriously relegated to the undercard often, given unworthy opponents as they did with Fitch and was long time denied a tittle shot that many pundits and fans claimed for him. He was often matched up with sub par opponents, while hardcores and pundits asked for better opportunitied because of the sufficiency in which he got his wins, but also the controverial decisions he had with elite competition.

Most American fans and particularly sherdog, discredited Fitch for the circunstamces you pointed out. Let alone Okami, who didnt even speak English.

 

[pankrat]

Okami was a solid top 5 MW for a long time. Sonnen loss killed his momentum.

He wasn't the bogeyman in the MW division. That was Vitor

Yeah...PED Sonnen was a force and popped the next year but....after the loss Okami moved to America and actually we saw his best version right after the Sonnen loss imo

After his loss to Sonnen, Okami collected another 3/4 ranked wins in UFC (Marquardt in a tittle eliminator, Lombard, Belcher and not sure if Muñoz). Not to be picky, but that's more ranked wins than Fitch in his whole UFC stint

 

[mirko>anyone]

This guy confuses Mike Kyle with Myke Pyle while accusing people of "looking shit up and not having any understanding"

Dude, have a bit of respect for yourself, get a hobby or ar a woman and stop pretending you know shit in a mma forum

This is gold. Lol.

 

[ThunderStruck]

To say that Diego Sanchez is "comparable" to Nate Marquardt is very generous. Let's not forget that when Fitch beat Sanchez by split decision, he was coming off a loss to an unranked Koscheck. The fact that Diego was ranked #5 to begin with is kind of a joke. Kos was 9-1 at the time and a relative newcomer to MMA. Diego did have impressive fights against Riggs and Kao, for sure, but he was also greased to the gills against Diaz not long before that. The fact that he was coming off a loss to an unranked fighter when Fitch beat him hasn't really been mentioned here too often. Seems to be overlooked.

Marquardt, on the other hand, fought Okami in his 42nd professional MMA fight, and had been ranked top 5 for quite some time. Multi-time, multi-weight champion in many different orgs, and a UFC title contender with a fairly high finishing rate. He was coming off a win over Paul Harris when he fought Okami, and was the first guy to stop that lunatic in a fight. Nate was by far the better and more accomplished win, yet I do agree that Diego was to be taken more seriously at that particular point in time than he is now.

Diego sanchez at the time was 100% a better opponent than Nate. Stop the bullshit revisionnist history.

 

[pankrat]

Diego sanchez at the time was 100% a better opponent than Nate. Stop the bullshit revisionnist history.

No, he wasn't.
Particularly not by rankings at the time so cut the BS about "revisionist history" when you are the one blatantly doing so.

Diego Sanchez was coming off a loss to Koschek, who was unranked at the time. Then dropped to LW as he was very undersized at WW.

Sanchez still beat Fitch in the scorecards of an official judge.
Okami beat Marquardt unanimously.

Your statements - always biased and cringey faboyish - are all void, like this one.
Take note and learn about how to make an argument, how to back it up from me or other posters who share your stance but aren't simpleton, lying kiddos.
Or just go play video games and quit this sherdog hobby

 

[ThunderStruck]

Nobody forgets that
It happens that some of you remember it fondly, while at the same overlook that Okami UD Nate Marquard in a tittle eliminator.

Marquardt who had KOed Maia, Kampmann, Palhares as well as beating Misaki among others, and then went to KTFO Woodley.

Marquardt was higher ranked than Sanchez (this is not an opinion, it's what it is) and at least a comparable opponent to Sanchez by any measure. And UD > SD

Nobody is discrediting Fich here. It's some of you fanboys just writing off Okami and all his accomplishment to suit your narrative.

Nate was number 3, Diego was number 5.

https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-27767

https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-8942

If you factor divisionnal dept then Diego's ranking was better.

But yeah you never ever factored in divisionnal dept because you have no clue what it is.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Vete a jugar a la consola, niño

And stop repying me, dude. You initiate convos with me every single day I post here. Never the other way around. Go crying elsewhere.

Nice rebutal.

Oh and you're the one who replied to me first. How amusing.