Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[pankrat]

It’s highly probable. Fitch won 14 fights in a row. Okami had his streak snapped every three fights. Okami didn’t face Vitor, Maia, Wandy, Hendo, Bisping and some others that likely beat him either. It’s pretty fucking simple. Okami was getting tripped up with losses much more than Fitch.

Now fling some insults and say some spazzy autistic shit.

You just typed a list of names followed by void statements like "Maia or Wandy would liekly beat him" like that's an argument. It's not. Not whasoever.

Fitch only beat one WW tittle contender from that era in Alves.
So why do you not make a list of contenders that Fitch didnt beat, as you just did pretending to downplay Yushin? Why?
Because you are biased, dishonest, ignorant noob. That's why.

> Cold fact: Okami beat more ranked fighters than Fitch, and more former or eventual tittle contenders in the division, contrary to what you pretend to suggest in an embarrassingly dishonest way,

Now let the adults discuss and go find another hobby, please.

 

[Shaddows]

It’s highly probable. Fitch won 14 UFC 170lb fights in a row removing GSP Okami had his streak snapped every three fights and is still 11-3 UFC 185lbs in 14 fights. Okami didn’t face Vitor, Maia, Wandy, Hendo, Bisping and some others that likely beat him either. It’s pretty fucking simple. Okami was getting tripped up with losses much more than Fitch. So Fitch would be 14-0 and have a strong chance of beating constebdera and Okami would be 11-3 and have to face contenders that he never faced and would likely beat him. Fitch has a stronger chance to win and maintain a title and Okami has a better chance of accumulating more losses here.

Now fling some insults and say some spazzy autistic shit.

Let me see if I understood you correctly: While ignoring Okami was facing better competition (which is a fact since he was facing more top 10 fighters than Fitch), you hype Fitch's win streak while bashing Okami for his losses.
And while never mentioning the lesser compatition Fitch was facing, you list the guys Okami did not fight, because in your view he could have lost to some of them... but you don't do the same for Fitch and think you are being unbiased?


LOL... ok...
I heard enough on this thread... just came by to see if things improved, but then again, GSP fanboys will NEVER admit they are biased, even though it is fairly obvious they are.

 

[Topher]

You just typed a list of names followed by void statements like "Maia or Wandy would liekly beat him" like that's an argument. It's not. Not whasoever.

Fitch only beat one WW tittle contender from that era in Alves.
So why do you not make a list of contenders that Fitch didnt beat, as you just did pretending to downplay Yushin? Why?
Because you are biased, dishonest, ignorant noob. That's why.

> Cold fact: Okami beat more ranked fighters than Fitch, and more former or eventual tittle contenders in the division, contrary to what you pretend to suggest in an embarrassingly dishonest way,

Now let the adults discuss and go find another hobby, please.

He’s likely going to LNP most the guys GSP beat the matchups favor him. His hardest matchups are Kos and Shields. KO’s won’t fight his AKA mate. His chances are much stronger than Okami who was losing more often and had many difficult matchups like TRT Vitor and Hendo etc. Fitch has more favorable fights and was winning more consistently no matter how much your broken brain tells you otherwise you obsessive twat.

 

[pankrat]

Let me see if I understood you correctly: While ignoring Okami was facing better competition (which is a fact since he was facing more top 10 fighters than Fitch), you hype Fitch's win streak while bashing Okami for his losses.
And while never mentioning the lesser compatition Fitch was facing, you list the guys Okami did not fight, because in your view he could have lost to some of them... but you don't do the same for Fitch and think you are being unbiased?


LOL... ok...
I heard enough on this thread... just came by to see if things improved, but then again, GSP fanboys will NEVER admit they are biased, even though it is fairly obvious they are.

Particularly, they guy you just replied to is the lowest, more embarrassing kind of fanboy.
Others in this thread were biased but at lest were somehow capable of delivering a reasonable post.

This guy is just texbook fanboy rat who makes "arguments" based on fight finder and have no clue whatsoever what he is talking about

 

[Topher]

Let me see if I understood you correctly: While ignoring Okami was facing better competition (which is a fact since he was facing more top 10 fighters than Fitch), you hype Fitch's win streak while bashing Okami for his losses.
And while never mentioning the lesser compatition Fitch was facing, you list the guys Okami did not fight, because in your view he could have lost to some of them... but you don't do the same for Fitch and think you are being unbiased?


LOL... ok...
I heard enough on this thread... just came by to see if things improved, but then again, GSP fanboys will NEVER admit they are biased, even though it is fairly obvious they are.

I’ll take Anderson all day over GSP. You’re misreading me. I’m doing a 1:1 comparison. Fitch is arguably GSP’s best win and Okami is a mediocre Silva win he beat a handful of better fighters. If I’m rating the fights on disposal of the opponent Anderson is more impressive and if I’m rating it on quality it was GSP’s best (or a top 2 win) while Okami was like not even close to Spiders best win.

And yes Fitch has an easier path and more favorable matchups to be a champ if GSP didn’t exist Okami has a hard path and more unfavorable matchups if Silva doesn’t exist.

That double yellow boomer needs help.

 

[pankrat]

He’s likely going to LNP most the guys GSP beat the matchups favor him. His hardest matchups are Kos and Shields. KO’s won’t fight his AKA mate. His chances are much stronger than Okami who was losing more often and had many difficult matchups like TRT Vitor and Hendo etc. Fitch has more favorable fights and was winning more consistently no matter how much your broken brain tells you otherwise you obsessive twat.

Another post filled with void opinions with no back up whatsoever.

Vitor and Hendo were fighting at LHW most of the time btw. If we take MWs who eventually made the move to WW then there are plenty of guys capable of beating Fitch, starting by Maia, who actually dominated him, or Lawler among others who would have a solid chance vs Fitch. Aapart from Kos and Shields. And Hendricks of course, who you forget like the embarasing biased fanboy you are.

Biased fantasy match ups and fight finder stats with no susbtance whatsoever. That's all you got. Go find another hobby, kiddo.

 

[Shaddows]

I’ll take Anderson all day over GSP. You’re misreading me. I’m doing a 1:1 comparison. Fitch is arguably GSP’s best win and Okami is a mediocre Silva win he beat a handful of better fighters. And yes Fitch has an easier path and more favorable matchups to be a champ if GSP didn’t exist Okami has a hard path and more unfavorable matchups if Silva doesn’t exist.

Ok. I hear you.
So you are comparing if Silva beating Okami was more meaningful than GSP beating Fitch, because you consider Okami a lesser win (for Silva) than Fitch was (for GSP). Is that it?

 

[pankrat]

I’ll take Anderson all day over GSP. You’re misreading me. I’m doing a 1:1 comparison. Fitch is arguably GSP’s best win and Okami is a mediocre Silva win he beat a handful of better fighters. If I’m rating the fights on disposal of the opponent Anderson is more impressive and if I’m rating it on quality it was GSP’s best (or a top 2 win) while Okami was like not even close to Spiders best win.

And yes Fitch has an easier path and more favorable matchups to be a champ if GSP didn’t exist Okami has a hard path and more unfavorable matchups if Silva doesn’t exist.

Both Fitch and Okami are often ranked among top5 in Silva/GSP's wins lists.

Go look for any thread about the matter and you will see.
Then realize a stoppage > decision.

You parroting "Okami was a mediocre win" is you being the ignorant kiddo that you are.
You could not deliver a solid assesmet on Okami's skill-set even if you got paid for it. 100%. You are fooling nobody

Pretending in a sherdog forum and reading sherdog fight finder. That's all you know about this game

 

[Topher]

Another post filled with void opinions with no back up whatsoever.

Vitor and Hendo were fighting at LHW most of the time btw. If we take MWs who eventually made the move to WW then there are plenty of guys capable of beating Fitch, starting by Maia, who actually dominated him, or Lawler, Marquardt, Shields among others who would have a solid chance vs Fitch.

Biased fantasy match ups and fight finder stats with no susbtance whatsoever. That's all you got. Go find another hobby, kiddo.

They would have came later and I agree would have been problematic. GSP never fought them because they came later. But ironically Fitch > Shields > Okami head to head though just sayin’

If you’re adding Shields, Lawler and Maia I’ll add Machida, Jacare, Brunson, Rockhold, Romero, Mousasi. Okami gets squashed.

Edit: forgot Weidman

Either way Fitch would have already won and defended before his bad matchups show up. Bad matchups for Okami always exist and he doesn’t have much chance to win a title while Fitch does.

Your boomer dementia and anger has you foggy.

 

[Topher]

Ok. I hear you.
So you are comparing if Silva beating Okami was more meaningful than GSP beating Fitch, because you consider Okami a lesser win (for Silva) than Fitch was (for GSP). Is that it?

Yes. Dude beat many better opponents than Okami and Silva finished like 12/14 of his fights in spectacular fashion? While GSP bored many.

But I believe comparing how they won Silva of course because he finished his fight. But I just don’t see Okami as being nearly as valuable of a win. All this dissecting bullshit doesn’t matter. Okami was a high turnover contender by process of elimination. Fitch was regarded as the best guy not named GSP by many. I’m comparing what the weight class offered them both and not going into some rabbit hole argument “but but but Okami did this and that”. That doesn’t matter Okami isn’t the Silva equal to GSP’s Fitch.

 

[pankrat]

They would have came later and I agree would have been problematic. GSP never fought them because they came later. But ironically Fitch > Shields > Okami head to head though just sayin’

If you’re adding Shields, Lawler and Maia I’ll add Machida, Jacare, Brunson, Rockhold, Romero, Mousasi. Okami gets squashed.

Either way Fitch would have already won and defended before his bad matchups show up. Bad matchups for Okami always exist and he doesn’t have much chance to win a title while Fitch does.

Your boomer dementia and anger has you foggy.

Okami actually beat Nate Marquardt, who was seen as the guy to dethrone Franklin before Silva arrived.
Okami went to extremely close dec with Franklim in his year debut in UFC at 25 years old with Franklin in his absolute prime.. Yushin notably improved for them - which you dont know because you dont watch fights - but he would have a very solid chance in the rematch.
Let alone vs Maia. They actually fought in ADCC and we saw the problems Maia had to get anything going even in his own environment. We also saw Muñoz beating Maia after getting beaten by Okami

You didnt watch any of those fights. You can't deliver an asessment on Okami's skill-set. You can only go to fight finder and pretend.

Especulate all you want about how Fitch would have beaten Kos, Shields, Hendricks and anybody else when he barely got past undersized Sanchez or Joslin. He didntt beat an over the hill BJ neither, another guy who wold have taken the belt before him btw.

You scroll to fight finder and then go to the forum pretending you know anything with biased BS.. Thats your hobby, its all you got.
I invite you to go find another hobby and let the adults discuss

 

[pankrat]

Yes. Dude beat many better opponents than Okami and Silva finished like 12/14 of his fights in spectacular fashion? While GSP bored many.

But I believe comparing how they won Silva of course because he finished his fight. But I just don’t see Okami as being nearly as valuable of a win. All this dissecting bullshit doesn’t matter. Okami was a high turnover contender by process of elimination. Fitch was regarded as the best guy not named GSP by many. I’m comparing what the weight class offered them both and not going into some rabbit hole argument “but but but Okami did this and that”. That doesn’t matter Okami isn’t the Silva equal to GSP’s Fitch.

You can''t even deliver an assessment on Okami's skill-set. You literally can't. Yet here you are pretending you know anything, parroting what you heard from other GSP fanboys in these boards. Stop pretending, kiddo.

 

[Topher]

Okami actually beat Nate Marquardt, who was seen as the guy to dethrone Franklin before Silva arrived. Okami beat him.
Okami went to extremely close dec with Franklim in his year debut in UFC. He notably improved for them so would have a very solid chance in the rematch.
Let alone vs Maia. They actually fought in ADCC and we saw the problems Maiahad to get naything going in his own environment. We also saw Muñoz beating Maia after being beaten by Okami

You didnt watch any of those fights. You can't deliver an asessment on Okami's skill-set

You can especulate all you want about how Fitch would have beaten Kos, Shields, Hendricks and anybody else when he barely got past undersized Sanchez or Joslin. He didt beat an over the hill BJ, another guy who wold have taken the belt before him btw.

You scroll to fight finder and then go to the forum pretending you know anything with biased BS.. Thats your hobby, its all you got.
I invite you to go find another hobby and let the adults discuss

Wipe the spit off your mouth. Can you not read? I said Kos and Fitch were teammates that likely wouldn’t have fought each other.

The path to a title is easier for Fitch on any end you choose. Okami is taking losses where his chances are best and gets destroyed where t
you foolishly decided to move the ball with the Strikeforce merger.

Your trite lines are getting stale grandpa with your cliche ass “anyone who sees things differently didn’t watch da fights hurr durr”. You’re so spastic with your assessments being the be all end all.

“fanboy, kiddo” more buzzwords plz

what kind of adult autist fanboys Okami to the point of delusions

 

[pankrat]

Wipe the spit off your mouth. Can you not read? I said Kos and Fitch were teammates that likely wouldn’t have fought each other.

Your trite lines are getting stale grandpa with your cliche ass “anyone who sees things differently didn’t watch da fights hurr durr”. You’re so spastic with your assessments being the be all end all.

Venga, have a good day.

 

[Mike]

Nobody forgets that
It happens that some of you remember it fondly, while at the same overlook that Okami UD Nate Marquard in a tittle eliminator.

Marquardt who had KOed Maia, Kampmann, Palhares as well as beating Misaki among others, and then went to KTFO Woodley.

Marquardt was higher ranked than Sanchez (this is not an opinion, it's what it is) and at least a comparable opponent to Sanchez by any measure. And UD > SD

Nobody is discrediting Fich here. It's some of you fanboys just writing off Okami and all his accomplishment to suit your narrative.

Dunno why this is directed at me bud. I didn't say any of that. I have a damn good memory, I watched those fights live and still remember them.

I think Fitch was a bigger deal at welter then okami was at mw, but I've never called okami some bum and wouldn't. Okami was a great fighter.

 

[Topher]

Venga, have a good day.

Enjoy being wrong.

Nate lost to Sonnen already before he fought Okami.

Hendo and Vitor show up on MW when it’s a prime chance for Okami. His window is just too small. He has to deal with Franklin, Sonnen, Hendo, Vitor and others. Fitch has a nice stretch where he doesn’t have to deal with anyone he potentially can’t handle. You inserted the matchups where he likely loses at the Strikeforce timeline and Okami faces a death gauntlet there.

Fitch has a more favorable chance to become a champ. How weird is it being some kind of elderly Okami spaz are you some kind of weeb Japanophile type?

 

[pankrat]

Enjoy being wrong.

Nate lost to Sonnen already before he fought Okami.

Hendo and Vitor show up on MW when it’s a prime chance for Okami. His window is just too small. He has to deal with Franklin, Sonnen, Hendo, Vitor and others. Fitch has a nice stretch where he doesn’t have to deal with anyone he potentially can’t handle. You inserted the matchups where he likely loses at the Strikeforce timeline and Okami faces a death gauntlet there.

Fitch has a more favorable chance to become a champ. How weird is it being some kind of elderly Okami spaz are you some kind of weeb Japanophile type?

Venga bebé, vete pa cama

 

[Shaddows]

Yes. Dude beat many better opponents than Okami and Silva finished like 12/14 of his fights in spectacular fashion? While GSP bored many.

But I believe comparing how they won Silva of course because he finished his fight. But I just don’t see Okami as being nearly as valuable of a win. All this dissecting bullshit doesn’t matter. Okami was a high turnover contender by process of elimination. Fitch was regarded as the best guy not named GSP by many. I’m comparing what the weight class offered them both and not going into some rabbit hole argument “but but but Okami did this and that”. That doesn’t matter Okami isn’t the Silva equal to GSP’s Fitch.

Ok, I understand where you are coming from.
But then I think you and Pankrat are arguing two completely different things, and the topic allows for both.

Okami, objectively speaking, was a better/more difficult challenger than Fitch.
He fought and beat better opponents. - these are facts.
On the flip side though, he also lost more as a consequence.

That made the Hype for Fitch to work in his favor, since (despite beating lesser opponents) he was on a better win-streak, and it was also more pleasing to the eyes.
But that does not make Fitch a better fighter nor a harder challenge. It's just better hype.

So in a fashion, both of you are right.
Make sense?

 

[kellier]

I'm a big Silva fan but Fitch was the generational #2 WW and GSP absolutely dominated him (should have pushed the boat out for a finish but that's a different argument).

Silva toyed with Okami granted, but he has better wins against stronger opposition.

For instance, KO'ing Belfort (arguably #2 MW all time) is a better win than 50/45 against Fitch

 

[basedgodfedor]

How is this an argument it’s obviously GSPs win