Which are the arguments to put Miocic under Fedor in HW history?

[DanDragon Machi]

Miocic has way better resume:
DC > Nog
Ngannou > Mirko
Werdum > Coleman
Overeen> Randleman
JDS > Brett Rogers

Title fight wins:
Miocic - 6
Fedor - 4

In global relevance UFC > Pride

In the imagination of nostalgic fans Fedor is undeniably greater than Miocic due to his "aura" - a totally subjective and not very objective factor
Yes, he was a more iconic fighter, but only because there were no fighters on his level
I don't think that the time of undefeated (beating one-dimensional Japanese fighters 90% of the time) should be such a decisive factor

 

[Luthien]

@BFoe seeing this thread after his bath

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

10 years and 30+ fights unbeaten vs getting KO'd in your prime by Stefan Struve.

 

[DanDragon Machi]

10 years and 30+ fights unbeaten vs getting KO'd in your prime by Stefan Struve.

So fights unbeaten accounts more points than title fights victories? lol

 

[BFoe]

Oh fine, I’ll play.

Fedor has 7 title fight wins, and that’s not including winning RINGS or PRIDE GP titles (the 7 being Nog x 2, Mirko, Hunt, Sylvia, Arlovski, and Rogers).

Fedor has more ranked wins than Stipe (11-8).

Fedor has more title defenses in one continuous unbeaten streak than Stipe dos in 2 reigns (5-4).

The opponents in the OP seem a bit cherry picked. Like, Ngannou is listed for Stipe but he also got starched by Ngannou. Old JDS is listed for Stipe but he actually lost to a closer-to-prime JDS.

Fedor was dominant under more orgs and more rulesets, including ruleset with a 10 minute first round, where soccer kicks and knees to grounded opponents were legal, he was undefeated far longer, and was far more active than Stipe.

Fedor > Stipe in every significant metric.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
(Literally I guess, since Fyodor means Theodore lol).

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

So fights unbeaten accounts more points than title fights victories? lol

Yes, especially considering Fedor defended the Pride title multiple times too.

 

[Clark Rogers]

This should be good

 

[AmericanMMA]

Fedor did ok in Pride fc
Stipe did ok in ufc

 

[Neck&Neck]

Uncle Stipes is the true GOAT

 

[Blastbeat]

Fedor edges it out slightly because of his long win streak at HW. you just dont see that in most weight divisions at all, let alone HW. to top it off he was the Pride HW champ and defended that belt. Fedor's later career was much worse than Stipe's though.

if Stipe had beaten Jones i wouldve put him over Fedor, no joke. but since he did not, i think Stipe is the best UFC HW ever. he is #2 all time behind Fedor.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

So fights unbeaten accounts more points than title fights victories? lol

Havent you noticed that all GOAT discussion guys have a long unbeaten run to their name? GSP, Jon, Fedor, Anderson, Khabib, Aldo etc. Its pretty much a prerequisite that you dominated your weight class for a significant period of time.

Stipe was never that guy.

 

[Fight Professor]

Obviously Fedor fanboism is big here.

But Fedor did look invincible and more dangerous in his prime. And we have to account for the time period when comparing fighters.

Stipe did not age nearly as badly as Fedor. Despite being slow, which is normal with age, he did not perform that badly against Jon. While Fedor had look really bad in some of the later fights when the opponent was not more shot than him. Stipe would have had no problems with Mitrione, Bader or obviously Maldonado at any point of his career. And, I think, he beats PRIDE Nog and CroCop at his prime while Fedor does not beat DC more than once out of 3 times.

 

[BFoe]

Obviously Fedor fanboism is big here.

But Fedor did look invincible and more dangerous in his prime. And we have to account for the time period when comparing fighters.

Stipe did not age nearly as badly as Fedor. Despite being slow, which is normal with age, he did not perform that badly against Jon. While Fedor had look really bad in some of the later fights when the opponent was not more shot than him. Stipe would have had no problems with Mitrione, Bader or obviously Maldonado at any point of his career. And, I think, he beats PRIDE Nog and CroCop at his prime while Fedor does not beat DC more than once out of 3 times.

Maybe, but I also think it’s important to look at the factors unique to each fighter. It’s easy to say Stipe never looked a shot as Fedor, but (for example) Stipe has had a total of 25 pro fights in 14 years, whereas Fedor surpassed that number in just 5 years. Fedor was just a way more active fighter, and had a lot more wear and tear.

 

[DanDragon Machi]

Oh fine, I’ll play.

Fedor has 7 title fight wins, and that’s not including winning RINGS or PRIDE GP titles (the 7 being Nog x 2, Mirko, Hunt, Sylvia, Arlovski, and Rogers).

Fedor x Rogers was not a fight title

Accounts WAMMA as an relevant title is laughable. I'm talking about elite events

Fedor has more ranked wins than Stipe (11-8).

Fedor has more title defenses in one continuous unbeaten streak than Stipe dos in 2 reigns (5-4).

Recover the title is a bigger feat than defense continuous, I can't understand you logic here

The opponents in the OP seem a bit cherry picked. Like, Ngannou is listed for Stipe but he also got starched by Ngannou. Old JDS is listed for Stipe but he actually lost to a closer-to-prime JDS.

So JDS was old at 33 yr when he was KOed by Miocic but Miocic was at his prime when her lost by Nganou at 38? lol

Fedor was dominant under more orgs and more rulesets, including ruleset with a 10 minute first round, where soccer kicks and knees to grounded opponents were legal, he was undefeated far longer, and was far more active than Stipe.

None of these organizations are harder to dominate than UFC of the modern ERA

 

[DanDragon Machi]

Yes, especially considering Fedor defended the Pride title multiple times too.

3 times only

 

[TriangleMonkey]

This is Sherdog where Fedor rules all






Just the completeness of this mans game during his reign



When the last time Stipe snatched a submission, or hit some technical sequences that made your jaw drop?

 

[ricc505]

Stipe is good but there is and was top tier fighting going on in other organizations. I think Fedor was better

 

[DanDragon Machi]

Havent you noticed that all GOAT discussion guys have a long unbeaten run to their name? GSP, Jon, Fedor, Anderson, Khabib, Aldo etc. Its pretty much a prerequisite that you dominated your weight class for a significant period of time.

Stipe was never that guy.

If Jon had lost by Gustafsson he would be the GOAT even so
15 title wins cannot be erased with one defeat along the way

 

[DanDragon Machi]

Obviously Fedor fanboism is big here.

But Fedor did look invincible and more dangerous in his prime. And we have to account for the time period when comparing fighters.

Stipe did not age nearly as badly as Fedor. Despite being slow, which is normal with age, he did not perform that badly against Jon. While Fedor had look really bad in some of the later fights when the opponent was not more shot than him. Stipe would have had no problems with Mitrione, Bader or obviously Maldonado at any point of his career. And, I think, he beats PRIDE Nog and CroCop at his prime while Fedor does not beat DC more than once out of 3 times.

Good point. Fedor would never have been so dominant if he had faced the competition level that Miocic did

 

[jeff7b9]

Fedor won the most prestigious Hw title in MMA and then won 18 straight with the biggest target in the sport firmly on his back.

Who gives a fuck if it was official title fights? The sport was different then. He fought in arguably the most talented HW era ever and DOMINATED for a decade.

And he did it while everyone was on steroids and they were allowed to step on your head. That's badass.

He demolished the UFC champs of his era, pretty much all by round one stoppage.

Sylvia 30 seconds
Arlovski face down ass up lights out
Coleman (2x) - crying to his daughters
Randleman- survived the randleplex and subbed him
Nog - beat him twice


He lost a few after dominating his first 33 fights. Shit happens.