Where are the Kimuras?

[Sid Arthur]

Is there some BJJ technical reason we don't see kimura submissions anymore? Something you can't catch on a real expert?

Seems like the only submissions we see anymore are RNC and the occasional Von Flue from OSP.

 

[Yashabo]

Kimuras are hard to hit in MMA, especially from the bottom

 

[CroCopsLHK]

It's a "strong man" hold

 

[GripHouse]

Jacare

 

[octagon888]

Kimura doesn't get you bonuses.
To us they are awesome but unless your Frank Mir breaking bones it is not gruesome enough.

 

[abiG]

Way to easy to defend now. Day one shit.

 

[waldywaldy]

People learned to properly defend them.

Also most kimuras would be hit from side control, a position that sort of has dropped from the meta in recent years.

 

[HHJ]

they are harder to get than other holds.

 

[iWas]

It's a "strong man" hold

 

[nostradumbass]

That shit works when nobody knew what it was. Pretty easy to defend now that people have seen it. RNC is the most common because people are usually in bad shape to give up their back in the first place, and it gives you a lot more time to work. Triangles from the bottom are also getting less common when Nogueira used to get them on everyone. Defending subs takes way less time to learn than getting them.

 

[Flokk]

Ain't even seen no chimeras lately neither.

Tough outchea.

 

[Rhood]

In my pocket

 

[artisabang]

I'd say submissions as a whole are getting more rare.
As someone previously stated, RNC after punishment is probably the most common in this era.

 

[CroCopsLHK]

Jesus. That's some explosive athleticism!

 

[Katsumi Yamada]

That shit works when nobody knew what it was.

It worked on these guys:

Renzo Gracie
Royler Gracie
Minotauro Nogueira
Alistair Overeem
Aleks Emelianenko
Joe Lauzon

And many more

There must be another reason, I don't think it's as simple as not knowing what a very very basic move is.

 

[nostradumbass]

It worked on these guys:

Renzo Gracie
Royler Gracie
Minotauro Nogueira
Alistair Overeem
Aleks Emelianenko
Joe Lauzon

And many more

There must be another reason, I don't think it's as simple as not knowing what a very very basic move is.

Yeah, those are all pretty old and it worked when it was pretty uncommon. It's still possible, but way harder to get now.

 

[1pedestrian]

He's coming for that belt.

 

[DyslexicDave]

 

[Bubblun]

Not only the kimura, you simply don't see a lot of submissions because every fighter today is properly trained.
The RNC is by far the most high percentage submission.

That being said, Jacaré can put in a kimura anybody, including Marcelo Garcia.
Rani Yahya tries to find the kimura a lot and sometimes he catches it.
Very curious, years ago Piotr Hallmann tapped with a kimura Francisco Trinaldo, and Trinaldo is beastly strong, that was very surprising.

 

[MCS]

Fighters know better how to spin on defense. On offense they're more used to sweep. Depends on who's cranking tho. Nog tried to spin out of it and Mir kept with it and got better position.