What's your thoughts on Krav Maga? Is it the most effective self-defense system out there?

[Gutter Chris]

I prefer danga-da-danga-da-dang stab teh liver.

Sorry bang bang no I'm not

 

[650lb Sumo]

If you hit the wrong spot your hand will break and then what...

If you KTFO your opponent and break your hand it's an acceptable price to pay. What do you expect people to say, you break your hand and now the world ends?

 

[KnightTemplar]

Any martial art where they don't spar is useless imo.

I went to a class once and a lot of it was "when you do this, they'll do that" which is fine but what if they don't do that and do something else.

You can't learn to swim without getting in the water.

That's why combat sports like Boxing, Judo etc often work better than so-called, "pure" martial arts who never pressure-test themselves with sparring.

 

[Thrawn33]

You can't learn to swim without getting in the water.

That's why combat sports like Boxing, Judo etc often work better than so-called, "pure" martial arts who never pressure-test themselves with sparring.

Judo, Boxing, Wrestling ect... are the real "pure" martial arts.

 

[jeff7b9]

The idea of "go for the eyes and the balls"

Maybe... maybe for women's self defense. And even then probably best to limit it to life threatening or rape prevention type scenarios.


The part of violence I rarely see addressed or acknowledged (and this is one of the first things I talked to my own children about)

If you fight dirty, you just wrote a permission slip for your opponent to fight dirty.

You fight me "fair" I'll fight you fair back.

You claw my eyes or kick my junk and EVERYTHING is now on the menu. Stomping your shit after you curl up in a ball was NOT going to happen before you kicked me in the dick but YOU put that in play when you crossed that line.

I have not really heard many folks talk about it

Military, which is the supposed origin of Krav Maga- yeah fuck it, it is already basically a fight to the death.

But teaching that shit to civilians . ..

I don't know man.

You gonna get someone EXTRA fucked up imo more likely than you are gonna be winning all your fights (or your students)

 

[jeff7b9]

Any martial art where they don't spar is useless imo.

I went to a class once and a lot of it was "when you do this, they'll do that" which is fine but what if they don't do that and do something else.

Ok... so if you are standing still and someone comes up and grabs both your wrists and stands still like an asshole... you do this.

Now you try.

Congrats. Soon you will be a black belt in shit that will never happen jitsu do

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Krav Maga has the same problem all the mcdojo arts have. They use techniques like eye gouges and nut shots which you can't practice effectively on a live resisting opponent.

So it will never be as effective as a martial art where you CAN practice against a live resisting opponent, like Boxing, Muy Thai, BJJ, Judo, Sambo, etc.

That and it's not exactly a massive adjustment for someone who's trained kickboxing to just aim for the nuts instead if that's what they want to do.

I've had non training friends question my BJJ by saying they could just go for my eyes while ignoring the fact that I can also go for the eyes and put myself in a better position to go for the eyes.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Ok... so if you are standing still and someone comes up and grabs both your wrists and stands still like an asshole... you do this.

Now you try.

Congrats. Soon you will be a black belt in shit that will never happen jitsu do

Yeah but in a real life situation Mike would magically flip to the floor like people do in Seagal movies.

 

[KnightTemplar]

That and it's not exactly a massive adjustment for someone who's trained kickboxing to just aim for the nuts instead if that's what they want to do.

I've had non training friends question my BJJ by saying they could just go for my eyes while ignoring the fact that I can also go for the eyes and put myself in a better position to go for the eyes.

My favourite is, "But if you had me in an armbar, I'd just bite your leg".

Yeah, in that scenario if you bite my leg, I'm breaking your fucking arm. I don't care if you're Hannibal Lecter, you're still coming off second best.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

My favourite is, "But if you had me in an armbar, I'd just bite your leg".

Yeah, in that scenario if you bite my leg, I'm breaking your fucking arm. I don't care if you're Hannibal Lecter, you're still coming off second best.

My favourite is people thinking they'd bite their way out of a rear naked choke. Imagine how painful it'd be trying to bite someone who then puts their entire squeezing force directly into your jaw through your open mouth.

 

[KnightTemplar]

My favourite is people thinking they'd bite their way out of a rear naked choke. Imagine how painful it'd be trying to bite someone who then puts their entire squeezing force directly into your jaw through your open mouth.

Bas Rutten was teaching a seminar once. A, "self defence expert" was arguing that RNC wouldn't work in the street because he'd just reach back and gouge out his opponent's eyes with his thumbs. Eventually Bas got tired of arguing and told him,

"OK, let's see if that works. I'll put you in an RNC and you can try to gouge out my eyes. But I'm warning you right now: as soon as I feel any pain in my eyes, I'll break your fucking neck".

The guy decided not to try it.

 

[Fedorgasm]

That and it's not exactly a massive adjustment for someone who's trained kickboxing to just aim for the nuts instead if that's what they want to do.

I've had non training friends question my BJJ by saying they could just go for my eyes while ignoring the fact that I can also go for the eyes and put myself in a better position to go for the eyes.

Exactly. In the ultimate eye-gouging championship I would put my money on the guys that know boxing, BJJ, MT, over the krav maga guys.

 

[jeff7b9]

Yeah but in a real life situation Mike would magically flip to the floor like people do in Seagal movies.

Yes. I'm sure it goes something like that in the dream they have after a mugger like young Mike Tyson hits them in the back of the head with a wrench and runs their pockets.

Muggers being known for their strict adherence to ethics and all.

 

[jeff7b9]

Exactly. In the ultimate eye-gouging championship I would put my money on the guys that know boxing, BJJ, MT, over the krav maga guys.

If we are gouging eyes... I can gouge eyes too... but I can do it faster more powerful and more accurate.

- Bas Rutten.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Yes. I'm sure it goes something like that in the dream they have after a mugger like young Mike Tyson hits them in the back of the head with a wrench and runs their pockets.

Muggers being known for their strict adherence to ethics and all.

That happens just before five other muggers form an orderly queue to attack them one by one before getting ragdolled by the wrist flips.

 

[jeff7b9]

Actual useful self defense skills:


#1 stay out of the ghetto (and avoid shitty people in general)
#2 situational awareness
#3 RUN
#4 concealed carry or at least pepper spray

Actual fighting skills probably clock's in somewhere around 4-6.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Actual useful self defense skills:


#1 stay out of the ghetto (and avoid shitty people in general)
#2 situational awareness
#3 RUN
#4 concealed carry or at least pepper spray

Actual fighting skills probably clock's in somewhere around 4-6.

Being able to talk your way out of a situation probably ranks above most of those tbh.

 

[jeff7b9]

That happens just before five other muggers form an orderly queue to attack them one by one before getting ragdolled by the wrist flips.

If we have learned anything from martial arts cinema it is that attackers always respect the queue and take turns in orderly fashion.

 

[jeff7b9]

Being able to talk your way out of a situation probably ranks above most of those tbh.

Above not being there in the first place?

I would agree de-escalation is valuable, probably cracks top 5 or top 3.

 

[Fedorgasm]

Actual useful self defense skills:


#1 stay out of the ghetto (and avoid shitty people in general)
#2 situational awareness
#3 RUN
#4 concealed carry or at least pepper spray

Actual fighting skills probably clock's in somewhere around 4-6.

And if your woman gets attacked. Take a moment to ask yourself if you're truly happy with the relationship before jumping in.

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