What were your impressions rewatching Fedor vs. Maldonado?

I'm glad someone agrees, it was bs. Nobody was talking about this. Fedor floored a guy who recently KO'd Sergei and finished him convincingly. He wanted back in the UFC and still lost. He is an admitted cheater. I had a rematch at a smoker in SoCal, no testing. The first fight I beat him down. The rematch made me feel like I was fighting the terminator, he hadn't improved and if it wasn't for a lucky choke, I would have looked worse than Fedor, I have friends who dope, That's what I saw.
 
Fedor dominated from 0:00 to 2:00 of round 1. Then he got hurt, came back and had Fabio running on the defense again.

Maybe watch the actual fight, without your lust for Fedor to lose. I actually think Fedor was in control of most of that round, but got the worst end of it.

Clear 10-9 for Maldonado.

It's not even close to a 10-8 and anyone who says it is, exposes their ignorance of the sport.

10-8's are about single sided dominance.
Fedor did not dominate at any point in round 1. Fabio blocked almost everything and was never hurt. Fedor was on queer street over half the round and was out cold to the point no one could complain if the fight was stopped. There is no point in further discussion with someone so biased, and you post how I have lust for Fedor losing when I stated flat out the fight should have been a draw, not a loss for Fedor. You're a biased nuthugger who can't stand the fact Fedor did not win that fight and was given what was likely a corrupt decision.
 
Fedor did not dominate at any point in round 1. Fabio blocked almost everything and was never hurt. Fedor was on queer street over half the round and was out cold to the point no one could complain if the fight was stopped. There is no point in further discussion with someone so biased, and you post how I have lust for Fedor losing when I stated flat out the fight should have been a draw, not a loss for Fedor. You're a biased nuthugger who can't stand the fact Fedor did not win that fight and was given what was likely a corrupt decision.

Salty?

Cage control, causing damage and the only effective offensive output equals domination. For the first two minutes, it was all Fedor.

You can't flood that away with a wall of salty text.
 
clear draw. Arguments for any other result are a stretch at best and pure bullshit at worst. 10-8 first, no argument in my mind for 10-7 or 10-9. 2nd/3rd were most definitely fedor's. One of the most obvious draws I've ever seen. While fedor was obviously gifted the win, some blame has to rest on maldonado for doing almost nothing in round 2 and especially in round 3.
 
Ask the judges. What does a different fight not being 10-7 have to do with this fight needing to be 10-8 according to the actual rules (and are always scored as 10-8)? Rounds like this are basically always scored as 10-8 rounds.

Which just highlights my point, your bringing up these criteria isn't an argument that the judging for Fedor/Fabio was incorrect but that judging has always been incorrect. I would agree that the sport would be better if 10-8's and 10-7's were easier to get but the reality is that the standard we've had for years is that there not. Whats more of course in this case I would guess these vague statements may not even have applied the fight being outside the US and instead the Russian judges were just trying to hold to the established precedent of US judging.

Fedor did not dominate at any point in round 1. Fabio blocked almost everything and was never hurt. Fedor was on queer street over half the round and was out cold to the point no one could complain if the fight was stopped. There is no point in further discussion with someone so biased, and you post how I have lust for Fedor losing when I stated flat out the fight should have been a draw, not a loss for Fedor. You're a biased nuthugger who can't stand the fact Fedor did not win that fight and was given what was likely a corrupt decision

As I'v pointed out above your in absolutely no position to call anyone out on being bias and dishonest, your looking to stated judging criteria to back up your argument why this fight specifically was scored incorrectly is simply wrong and doesn't stand up to even the most simple analysis. This pretty much holds with my experience of reading your posts on sherdog that come across as simplistic childish nationalism much of the time.

In terms of timing I believe the knockdown was actually around one and a half mins into the round and in terms of Fedor being "out cold" look at my earlier post. To me it seems pretty clear this was never the case, first I think you can see it from the way Fedor reacts as he's getting back to his feet instantly and Fabio actually has to force him back down to start GnPing him, that's not the reaction of someone who has been KOed. You look more closely at what happens and to me it strongly looks like Fabio's second punch does not actually have much to do with Fedor going down, theres really not much on that punch at all, it doesn't connect well and Fedor is actually moving away from it and IMHO already overbalancing. What did the damage was IMHO that first Fabio punch that had a lot more power behind it, you look at the way Fedor reacts for the rest of the round and to me it seems very likely this shot caught him behind the ear/side of the head and messed up his balance. Fedor then looks to throw a big overhand and I think ends up on the ground due to overbalancing not because he's been KOed, hence his reacting to it instantly.

That I think is significantly different from Fabio nailing him and Fedor instantly face planting, in that situation a fighter following up would expect to have to land less in the way of GnP and in terms of judging it wouldn't be considered as bad a knockdown. That also effects how the rest of the round goes, Fedor looks wobbly for much of it but I don't think he's ever "out on his feet" and as a result Fabio doesn't actually land much good on him. Theres a strong couple of hooks and then one more good hook as he's backed up into the cage but those uppercuts aren't very effective, most of them miss with Fedor defending and in any case don't have much on them. Just because someone looks wobbly does not mean there being dominated and nearly finished.

I'm guessing all of this will be ignored and you'll just quote the same criteria to an "easy target" a few more times instead.
 
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It was clear one sided domination where the fight was almost stopped and Fedor was more unconscious than conscious for most of the round. Fedor's minuscule offense where Fabio was never even hurt and the shots were mostly blocked does not off set the beating he took.
It was not close. It was domination. The only question is if it was overwhelming or total domination. I would argue Fedor's limited offense prevents it being a total domination. It was clearly an OVERWHELMINGLY dominated round for Fabio.
have youi ever seen a 10-7 round given out in mma?
fedor was going off on fabio blocked shots or not, he atleast had effort in there from my expierence to not be a 10-8 round with how current fights are scored.
i agree more 10-7 and even 10-8 rounds could be given out in general, but personally dont think this needed one. apparently the judges also agreed.
 
Which just highlights my point, your bringing up these criteria isn't an argument that the judging for Fedor/Fabio was incorrect but that judging has always been incorrect.
Arguing the judges got it right because they got it wrong like always simply makes no sense. Not to mention the fact judges basically always score a round like that a 10-8, and it is NOT common for it to be scored a 10-9.
 
have youi ever seen a 10-7 round given out in mma?
fedor was going off on fabio blocked shots or not, he atleast had effort in there from my expierence to not be a 10-8 round with how current fights are scored.
i agree more 10-7 and even 10-8 rounds could be given out in general, but personally dont think this needed one. apparently the judges also agreed.
Yes I have seen 10-7 ... usually it's with a point deduction. I think there was one 10-7 round though iirc. Like I said earlier, I personally felt it was a clear 10-8. But it was closer to 10-7 than 10-9.
 
Arguing the judges got it right because they got it wrong like always simply makes no sense. Not to mention the fact judges basically always score a round like that a 10-8, and it is NOT common for it to be scored a 10-9.

If the judges "always" get it wrong I would argue what you have there is a standard, maybe not a standard we agree with but a standard much the same.

Again I'd disagree rounds like this are normally scored 10-8, what we basically had was...

1 min of one fighter clearly ontop, much of his offence blocked but some good shots landed.

A knockdown that wasn't near to a KO and some follow up GnP for a min.

One fighter looking wobbly for the last half of the round but actually not taking masses of punishment and landing some of his own.

In my experience rounds that go like that generally are scored 10-9 and even rounds like SHogun/Hendo 1 rd 5 or several rounds of Bader/Perosh where one buy totally dominates the other on the ground who lands almost zero offence end up being 10-9. A sure 10-8 tends to be a round in which you have someone in serious trouble multiple times like Edgar/Maynard 2 rd 1.
 
1 min of one fighter clearly ontop, much of his offence blocked but some good shots landed.

A knockdown that wasn't near to a KO and some follow up GnP for a min.
What we had was 1 minute of a fighter throwing strikes that did nothing .. and then he gets face planted and was not just near a KO, but many thought it SHOULD have been stopped, and if it was no one could complain. Then Fedor spends the rest of the round stumbling around half unconscious.

The fact you think it was not near a KO and it was just a little GnP shows your bias. If someone made GIFs of round 1 and all the times Fedor was in trouble it would fill the screen with GIFs.
 
Yes I have seen 10-7 ... usually it's with a point deduction. I think there was one 10-7 round though iirc. Like I said earlier, I personally felt it was a clear 10-8. But it was closer to 10-7 than 10-9.
not how i would personally judge it myself, fedor had to many moments even if most his shots were blocked. to me it was a definite 10-9 round for fabio
 
It was a draw with round 1 being a clear 10-8 raping. Fedor was one of my idols but he's done enough and should stay retired. As much admiration I have for him, I have zero interest in the bar room brawler he's become.

Reasonable Fedor fan.

The following pages filled with 'but what really is a 10-8' and 'well he showed heart' are people trying to convince themselves a UFC lightheavy punching bag shouldnt have left that night with a first round TKO over a no longer great fighter.

None of that even touches the fact that Fedor picked his own ref and judges and the only judge who scored it right was publicly shamed and accused of judging it that way cause... she's a silly woman!

Biggest stain on Fedor's legacy ever. He clearly took Fabio as serious as we all did before the fight, not at all. And he paid, dearly.
 
Reasonable Fedor fan.

The following pages filled with 'but what really is a 10-8' and 'well he showed heart' are people trying to convince themselves a UFC lightheavy punching bag shouldnt have left that night with a first round TKO over a no longer great fighter.

None of that even touches the fact that Fedor picked his own ref and judges and the only judge who scored it right was publicly shamed and accused of judging it that way cause... she's a silly woman!

Biggest stain on Fedor's legacy ever. He clearly took Fabio as serious as we all did before the fight, not at all. And he paid, dearly.
its not that he showed heart, which he did, it was that he mounted some offense before and after the beating he took. Getting rocked doesnt mean an automatic 10-8 in the point musst scoring system. If he was rocked early before mounting any offense and juast got beat on for 4 mins of the 5 mins round thats different. Most people were just shocked fabio had that attack on him so went extreme with it in my opinion
 
its not that he showed heart, which he did, it was that he mounted some offense before and after the beating he took. Getting rocked doesnt mean an automatic 10-8 in the point musst scoring system. If he was rocked early before mounting any offense and juast got beat on for 4 mins of the 5 mins round thats different. Most people were just shocked fabio had that attack on him so went extreme with it in my opinion

It wasn't just the shock that it was Fabio. Look at his face after the fight. Look at over half of round one, objectively like you don't even know either fighter. The only way it's not a 10-8 is if Fedor mounted an attack comparable to Fabio's to negate the fact that he should have been stopped. He didn't, in fact his only offense entirely played into Maldonado's game plan.

It should've been stopped, if you wanna argue it shouldn't have, you can't argue it wasn't a 10-8.

None of that even touches the complete lunacy of Fedor being the president of the org that picked the ref and judges. Even if he won that conflict of interest is a joke and stain alone.
 
What we had was 1 minute of a fighter throwing strikes that did nothing .. and then he gets face planted and was not just near a KO, but many thought it SHOULD have been stopped, and if it was no one could complain. Then Fedor spends the rest of the round stumbling around half unconscious.

The fact you think it was not near a KO and it was just a little GnP shows your bias. If someone made GIFs of round 1 and all the times Fedor was in trouble it would fill the screen with GIFs.

If the strikes Fedor threw did nothing the same could be said on all the strikes Fabio threw after Fedor stood back up.

I said it wasn't near to a KO and that's true, again as I said watch what actually happens and Fabio rocks Fedor with one punch throwing his balance off then Fedor essentially throws himself on the ground with that big overhand due to it. Yes he was hurt, yes he was in danger but no he wasn't KOed or close to it and was actually getting back up before Fabio could even get to him.

You look at something like say the earlier rounds of Shogun/Hendo 1 and I'd say Dan had Shogun in worse trouble than that closer to a TKO yet he didn't get a 10-8. Fabio was unloading but he was basically trying to force a stoppage via showing Fedor wasn't defending, he wasn't landing punches likely to KO him.
 
You just described a 10-7 round under the 10 point must system.

No he didn't for the reasons I'v already mentioned, your reading out of vague standards is meaningless without precedent of past fights that actually show the established standard.
 
No he didn't for the reasons I'v already mentioned.
Sorry, he did. I think you are confusing yourself in your attempt to defend Fedor at all costs with your bias. The poster I responded to said 10-8 would require Fedor almost being KO'd and having zero offense the whole round. That is not 10-8 though, that is 10-7.
 
It wasn't just the shock that it was Fabio. Look at his face after the fight. Look at over half of round one, objectively like you don't even know either fighter. The only way it's not a 10-8 is if Fedor mounted an attack comparable to Fabio's to negate the fact that he should have been stopped. He didn't, in fact his only offense entirely played into Maldonado's game plan.

It should've been stopped, if you wanna argue it shouldn't have, you can't argue it wasn't a 10-8.

None of that even touches the complete lunacy of Fedor being the president of the org that picked the ref and judges. Even if he won that conflict of interest is a joke and stain alone.
Not even almost one of the worst decisions, and clearly it shouldnt have been stopped considering he got back up and won the next 2 rounds, and fedor had fabio against the cage throwing heat at him for parts of round one before he got tagged and rocked, to me thats no 10-8 round. Clear 10-9 round for fabio tho
 
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