Hot Take What was Tyron Woodley's peak?

[JoeBobbaLou2]

Properly when he knocked out, Josh Koscheck

 

[Superzorro]

Sure, but he legit had people worried to stand with him even back in the Strikeforce days. Nate was wary until he realized that Woodley was uncomfortable standing. If Woodley had developed some combinations, he'd be more appreciated by fans, and I think he might've had a longer tenure as champion or at the very least would've received an immediate rematch that Dana likes to give certain fighters.

He did throw combos. Combos are what got him the win in both Wonderboy fights. Watch their exchanges. He was just selective about the spots he threw them in. But it was never just one punch.
I’ll never argue for a fighter pandering to the fans to get promoter privilege and the political backing from the match makers. But that’s just me. At the end of the day, he dropped mfs and got stoppages. Thats an exciting fighter to me.

 

[Superzorro]

Yes, let's be real. I'm not a "just bleed" guy. But when a fighter completely refuses to engage or fight, judges should score for his opponent, appropriately.

I'm not talking about being patient and countering. Starting with the Wonderboy rematch, he was unwilling to engage, to an absurd extent.

You have to bring the fight to the champion. It wasn’t Woodley’s job to run blindly to the ground with Maia. I know we wanted him to get tangled up there and submitted. But it was Maia’s job to get the fight to the ground. I’m singling out Maia because that has to be the only fight you’re referring to. Everyone else got put on their ass unless you’re referring to the losses, which were accurately scored for the opponent.

 

[VinceArch]

He did throw combos. Combos are what got him the win in both Wonderboy fights. Watch their exchanges. He was just selective about the spots he threw them in. But it was never just one punch.
I’ll never argue for a fighter pandering to the fans to get promoter privilege and the political backing from the match makers. But that’s just me. At the end of the day, he dropped mfs and got stoppages. Thats an exciting fighter to me.

He didn't throw combos frequently and he didn't throw often. That's why he has the record for least strikes thrown in a title fight and fewest combined strikes thrown as well. If you were able to look forward to Tyron Woodley fighting, more power to you.

 

[Superzorro]

He didn't throw combos frequently and he didn't throw often. That's why he has the record for least strikes thrown in a title fight and fewest combined strikes thrown as well. If you were able to look forward to Tyron Woodley fighting, more power to you.

So yeah, just repeating what I said - combos in spots. Not the total lack of combinations. It could be argued that they were too few and far between. But it got the job done for the most part.
And yes, I like to see knockdowns and knockouts. You just wanted to see him lose. He did eventually.

 

[VinceArch]

So yeah, just repeating what I said - combos in spots. Not the total lack of combinations. It could be argued that they were too few and far between. But it got the job done for the most part.
And yes, I like to see knockdowns and knockouts. You just wanted to see him lose. He did eventually.

Matter of fact, I didn't mind Woodley in Strikeforce nor his first few fights in the UFC but soured on him after the other staring contest he had with Kelvin. He did score some KO's though, so you got your just bleed fix in.

 

[Superzorro]

Matter of fact, I didn't mind Woodley in Strikeforce nor his first few fights in the UFC but soured on him after the other staring contest he had with Kelvin. He did score some KO's though, so you got your just bleed fix in.

So basically, you liked him when he was losing. But when he was a championship caliber fighter, not so much.

In Strikeforce, his only impressive performance was really Andre Galvao. Because I think he was expected to lose that fight.

 

[VinceArch]

So basically, you liked him when he was losing. But when he was a championship caliber fighter, not so much.

In Strikeforce, his only impressive performance was really Andre Galvao. Because I think he was expected to lose that fight.

No, I didn't, you don't need to keep assuming, you aren't good at it when it comes to me liking Woodley as a fighter. Wins over Rudy Bears and Tarec Saffiedene were good too.

 

[Benoitthegr8]

Nate litterally pummeled Tyron into his prime

 

[BigTruck]

Nate litterally pummeled Tyron into his prime

Nate was great

 

[Superzorro]

Nate litterally pummeled Tyron into his prime

Weaker fighters would have quit or spiraled off into obscurity.

 

[Superzorro]

No, I didn't, you don't need to keep assuming, you aren't good at it when it comes to me liking Woodley as a fighter. Wins over Rudy Bears and Tarec Saffiedene were good too.

Not on the level of his UFC wins, objectively.

 

[jeskola]

I hear he used to train elevation and cardio at Taum Sauk mountain in Missouri near his old ATT home gym. the peak is 1,772 feet so not especially crazy but still quite a hike. So I'd say Taum Sauk was his peak.

 

[Genki Sudo]

Has to be his rap career.

 

[Safton]

2014-2018, I guess. If you made me narrow it down to one year, I'd say early 2016ish.

I still remember people genuinely arguing that Conor should go for three belts by moving up after beating Eddie because he could easily beat this version of Tyron.

 

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[Leonard Haid]

This

Could not listen for more than about 30 seconds. Pure torture.

 

[Benoitthegr8]

Weaker fighters would have quit or spiraled off into obscurity.

I was making the point that he became a much better fighter after a bad loss.

 

[fzoid4454]

You have to bring the fight to the champion. It wasn’t Woodley’s job to run blindly to the ground with Maia. I know we wanted him to get tangled up there and submitted. But it was Maia’s job to get the fight to the ground. I’m singling out Maia because that has to be the only fight you’re referring to. Everyone else got put on their ass unless you’re referring to the losses, which were accurately scored for the opponent.

Great straw man argument. Maia was a single fighter, so what's the excuse for the rest? I'm talking about when both fighters are on their feet, and Woodley refused to fight.

It was appropriate that he was on the Jake Paul undercard this past weekend, given the similarities in their non-fighting philosophies.

 

[Superzorro]

Great straw man argument. Maia was a single fighter, so what's the excuse for the rest? I'm talking about when both fighters are on their feet, and Woodley refused to fight.

It was appropriate that he was on the Jake Paul undercard this past weekend, given the similarities in their non-fighting philosophies.

Name the rest. If he didn’t put them on their ass in the fight, it’s a fight he lost.