What made GSP such a huge draw?

[avenue94]

Do you even read the replies or do you have preset copy/paste generic responses ready to go?

No your posts are just baffling.

 

[Fioretti]

No your posts are just baffling.

Yet, you're insisting guys who are finished 50, 60, 80, and 100% of the time they lose are nearly impossible to put away?

 

[bigsmooth187]

Where did i disagree? Just discussing. Get out of the kitchen if you can't handle the heat.

The only "heat" around is the hot air you're blowing!
Cheers, mate.

 

[avenue94]

Yet, you're insisting guys who are finished 50, 60, 80, and 100% of the time they lose are nearly impossible to put away?

It's almost like context matters and who is finishing fighters and at what point in their career it happened matters more than what percentage did it.

 

[Fioretti]

It's almost like context matters and who is finishing fighters and at what point in their career it happened matters more than what percentage did it.

Fitch was finished in 100% of his losses before he fought GSP. Then finished again, immediately, in his next loss after. It doesn't make him hard to finish, it means GSP was the only guy who could beat him without finishing him at that point. Maia is the only other guy to ever beat Fitch and NOT finish him. He was finished in 75% of his losses. Period.

Fuck, buddeh, you're stubborn.

 

[avenue94]

Fitch was finished in 100% of his losses before he fought GSP. Then finished again, immediately, in his next loss after. It doesn't make him hard to finish, it means GSP was the only guy who could beat him without finishing him at that point. Maia is the only other guy to ever beat Fitch and NOT finish him. He was finished in 75% of his losses. Period.

Fuck, buddeh, you're stubborn.

He got subbed in his pro debut and then finished at LHW (might have been MW). And isn't Maia, the sports best submission grappler, being unable to finish Fitch evidence of his durability and how hard to finish him is.

By that logic, Volkonovski is easy to finish given his one loss was a knockout at WW.

Do you not undersrand context?

 

[Fioretti]

He got subbed in his pro debut and then finished at LHW (might have been MW). And isn't Maia, the sports best submission grappler, being unable to finish Fitch evidence of his durability and how hard to finish him is.

By that logic, Volkonovski is easy to finish given his one loss was a knockout at WW.

Do you not undersrand context?

He was put to sleep with a guillotine by Josh Burkman in 41 seconds just 4 months after losing to Maia by decision. Context, right? Context doesn't negate facts. He's been finished in 75% of his losses. He's not like Diaz, or guys who have never been finished. Fuck, man.

 

[avenue94]

He was put to sleep with a guillotine by Josh Burkman in 41 seconds just 4 months after losing to Maia by decision. Context, right? Context doesn't negate facts. He's been finished in 75% of his losses. He's not like Diaz, or guys who have never been finished. Fuck, man.

Yeah...when he was 35 and after a long career and a lot of wear and tear damage. And given Fitch fought significantly better competition than Diaz, not sure what your point is. Diaz is a bit more durable, but not significantly so. You act like Fitch is an easy fight and not a top 10 WW all time.

 

[Fioretti]

Yeah...when he was 35 and after a long career and a lot of wear and tear damage. And given Fitch fought significantly better competition than Diaz, not sure what your point is. Diaz is a bit more durable, but not significantly so. You act like Fitch is an easy fight and not a top 10 WW all time.

I never said he was an easy fight or not top 10. Your fanboism apparently just won't let your brain comprehend facts. The man was finished in 75% of his losses. He does not qualify as "hard to finish". He was hard to finish for GSP and Maia, but not the 6 other guys who beat him.

 

[avenue94]

I never said he was an easy fight or not top 10. Your fanboism apparently just won't let your brain comprehend facts. The man was finished in 75% of his losses. He does not qualify as "hard to finish". He was hard to finish for GSP and Maia, but not the 6 other guys who beat him.

It's pretty silly to use finishes in losses versus finishes in total fights. If you can't understand that, you don't know shit about the sport.

 

[MonkeyGirl]

because the MMA wasn't that much of a circus back in the day.
Yes, listening to Chael was funny, but still, he was the original bad guy, all the others were regular folks, GSP being the one who could talk shit and he was truly respectful

Also, his fights are awesome

 

[TommyAlivee]

I really got into MMA through GSP's early UFC fights and during the early part of his championship reign — he really was a lot more exciting then, even his decisions were exciting for me to watch because he was so fucking dominant. It was starting around his Dan Hardy fight and onward is when I felt like his fighting style became much more conservative.

Anyway, even though the UFC and MMA as a whole wasn't nearly as mainstream as it is today during GSP's early days, I do distinctively remember that whenever GSP was on a card, the UFC promoted the fuck out of that card and promoted the fuck out of GSP — all this promotion is actually what caught my attention early on too — so I think the UFC definitely gave GSP a big push to be the draw that he became, in addition to the other factors that everyone else mentioned.

 

[Fioretti]

It's pretty silly to use finishes in losses versus finishes in total fights. If you can't understand that, you don't know shit about the sport.

They're not exactly getting finished when they win, are they? Hard to finish means that they rarely, if ever, get finished. It means that when they lose, it's more often than not by decision. To say a man who has been finished 75% of the time he loses is hard to finish, is just wrong. When he loses, he gets finished 3 out of 4. You're fucking reaching, fella.

 

[Lee_]

He did. Dude went through and passed 3 generations of fighters in his division.

But why was he so marketable? Why was he THE ticket selling, PPV buying machine?



I know i love humbleness. But historically the casual fan hasn't. The flat out truth seems to be that the "hardcores" find humbleness boring as well. Just look at the attention the Jamahal Hill/Paul Craig fight got in here.

What is GSP's secret?

The fan base has changed over time. It has gotten more and more WWE-heavy. People did like his personality. He was a UFO enthusiast, what's not to like?

 

[abject]

Other dominant champions like Jon Jones, Demetrious Johnson and José Aldo were just as impressive as GSP. He never talked trash and didn't have an overly exciting fighting style in his championship reigns. The excitement came from him figuring out puzzles but that's another topic.

Yet Georges st pierre pulled bigger numbers and checks than the rest of his dominant peers, without having to sell fights with trash talk or spectacular finishes. Why is that?

Jones is a multiple time ped cheater. The others are manlets. GSP was bullied. Hes a good man.