What leg lock entry from bottom open guard?

[Deltafarce]

I find myself using leg locks from mostly on top. I would like to have some attacks from bottom guard and bottom open guard. Any recommendations that work well in Gi?

Thanks

 

[BJJ_Rage]

I find myself using leg locks from mostly on top. I would like to have some attacks from bottom guard and bottom open guard. Any recommendations that work well in Gi?

Thanks

Ashigarami

 

[rmongler]

I find myself using leg locks from mostly on top. I would like to have some attacks from bottom guard and bottom open guard. Any recommendations that work well in Gi?

Thanks

One of the main things to keep in mind is that most leg lock entries don't really have that much to do with your initial leg position.

Now, this may sound counter intuitive, but look at it like this: for most of the most important leg attacks, you need to bring his leg up into your arms. It is a basic precondition of possibility. The most important element of leg entanglement entries, then, here, is arm control; once you have his leg(s) in your arms, you are now free to remove your legs from whatever position they were in, and replace them into whatever position you need them in; you get control with your arms, then solidify the control with your legs. The main function of your leg shields in this paradigm is in blocking him from advancing position prior to getting your hands on a leg.

A classic illustration of this principle is the classic leg lock entry from bottom, the funk roll, which you can do from a variety of situations; de la riva, reverse de la riva, half guard, closed guard, standing (imanari roll) et cetera. The basic key underlaying all these situations is getting a underhook on their leg, so you can pull it up to your arms, while disentangling your legs and re-entangling them into the desired control (usually, but not necessarily, involving an inversion of some kind).








You can see different implementations of the same idea, such as here in shin-to-shin guard, as well, where instead of funk rolling, you simply bodily pull yourself into position.





There are some notable exceptions to this of course - such as the seated leg scissors (or kani basami if you're a weeb) - but as a general rule, the most important factor is getting a grip on a leg and pulling it out up to you (or yourself up to it), and denying your opponent access to the same; this same principle applies to sweeping with ankle picks/technical stand ups as well.

 

[Kforcer]

I find myself using leg locks from mostly on top. I would like to have some attacks from bottom guard and bottom open guard. Any recommendations that work well in Gi?

Thanks

Butterfly, half-butterfly and half-guard are all fertile grounds for leglocks. Any position where your feet are hooked inside of your opponent's legs is a position that is only a few adjustments away from a leglock finish. In the case of half-guard, you simply switch legs--the leg opposite the one you ensnared for half-guard is going to be the one you leglock. Its a basic and broad idea but it is a great starting point that you can build and build upon.

 

[shunyata]

Caio Terra ankle lock.

All the De la Riva entries.

 

[yetanother]

One of the main things to keep in mind is that most leg lock entries don't really have that much to do with your leg position - in the beginning at least.

Doesn't seem super true in the gi. With most ibjff legal leg locks you need good leg position to actually break stuff. You can grab an straight ankle lock from almost anywhere, but unless you have proper leg position you want do much.

 

[rmongler]

Doesn't seem super true in the gi. With most ibjff legal leg locks you need good leg position to actually break stuff. You can grab an straight ankle lock from almost anywhere, but unless you have proper leg position you want do much.

I don't think you read the post right; the question was about entries, and im talking about entries, specifically, to those finishing positions - not those positions per se.

 

[thugpoet]

I enter through z guard, butterfly, reverse dlr, and k guard.

 

[Peteyandjia]

Grab both of their knees from a seated position, big buttscoot forward between their legs & flat onto your back like a mechanic sliding underneath a car, throw up a straight ashi, takedown.

 

[ens189]

Invert into 50/50.

 

[RemyR]

Usually butterfly for me lately.

 

[nefti]

Just look up dds on YouTube. Thats what makes danaher special. He pioneered leglocking from the guard without crazy inversions.

 

[Whitebeltatlife]

Knee shield, use the knee to kick/off balance the opponent to get to the leg, or insert a butterfly hook to elevate to get under. Basically, the theme with all leg locks is to get under them. I like the Caio Terra one too as it is quite easy but sneaky when you get the hang of it.

 

[Os3y3ris]

Butterfly half

 

[EndlessCritic]

Go to the 11 minute mark of that video. The way Galvao enters the kneebar from bottom knee shield is my #1 leglock. (Caveat -- I'm a dogshit leglocker.)

Dream 10 also happens to be the first time I ever bet on MMA. An 11 year love affair started that day.

 

[Kforcer]

Butterfly half

That and butterfly with feet inside the opponent's thighs are probably the two best bets, especially for people new to leglocks, not only because they are just great positions for leglocking but because attacking from there precludes you from engaging in a lot of bad habits; from half-butterfly and butterfly (with feet hooked inside the thighs), your feet are hidden and you are only one motion away from achieving a strong leg-control position.

Single-leg X guard could be called the best place to go for leglocks from bottom, except that single leg-X is essentially a leglock position with a different name.

 

[Kforcer]

He pioneered leglocking from the guard without crazy inversions.

That's not true at all. Leglocks from half-guard, half-butterfly and butterfly have been fundamental leg attack positions since forever. Renato Sobral is one of the first guys I learned it from watching; he demo'd the technique on some website. I remember xeroxing the pages and studying it. But of course, you had tons of Japanese catch guys doing it (Kitaoka, Toida, etc.), luta livre guys and actually, Royler Gracie. Royler Gracie would especially go for them from butterfly. And Dean Lister was very textbook attacking for them from half-guard.

It is only natural, once you get leglocked yourself attack for a leglock from half-guard, to tuck your outer foot underneath your opponent's leg in order to hide. And in the case of butterfly guard, of course, if you get both feet hooked inside, again, the transition to a leglock is readily apparent.

Don't get me wrong, I see what you are saying and I'm not trying to discredit DDS, but at the same time, long before DDS, people were attacking from guard without doing any sorts of acrobatics.

 

[nefti]

That's not true at all. Leglocks from half-guard, half-butterfly and butterfly have been fundamental leg attack positions since forever. Renato Sobral is one of the first guys I learned it from watching; he demo'd the technique on some website. I remember xeroxing the pages and studying it. But of course, you had tons of Japanese catch guys doing it (Kitaoka, Toida, etc.), luta livre guys and actually, Royler Gracie. Royler Gracie would especially go for them from butterfly. And Dean Lister was very textbook attacking for them from half-guard.

It is only natural, once you get leglocked yourself attack for a leglock from half-guard, to tuck your outer foot underneath your opponent's leg in order to hide. And in the case of butterfly guard, of course, if you get both feet hooked inside, again, the transition to a leglock is readily apparent.

Don't get me wrong, I see what you are saying and I'm not trying to discredit DDS, but at the same time, long before DDS, people were attacking from guard without doing any sorts of acrobatics.

No, most of the leg lock entries was spinning/inverting under the opponent without any true control of your opponent in said guard. Now we can disagree, so if you can show proof of the mentioned guys having systematkc control of their opponent instead of wild inversions/ spins i would concede.

So if there were so many guys with guard control based leg lock games like you sah, there should be tons lf footage of it. There should be hours of footoage of it in adcc ect. I cant find it. But if you can please feel free to post.

 

[nefti]

Just for the record im not sh1tting on you or signaling you out. I think ive said this at least two more times here. People either are looking back with rose colored glasses in the past or they are simply hating on dds.

Anyone: if so many guys were systematically leg locking from the guard with control like dds/craig jones for as long as some of you claim; please post videos. There should be numerous videos that you could find. I cant find them. So please post them.

 

[Kforcer]

No, most of the leg lock entries was spinning/inverting under the opponent without any true control of your opponent in said guard. Now we can disagree, so if you can show proof of the mentioned guys having systematkc control of their opponent instead of wild inversions/ spins i would concede.

So if there were so many guys with guard control based leg lock games like you sah, there should be tons lf footage of it. There should be hours of footoage of it in adcc ect. I cant find it. But if you can please feel free to post.

Footage of people doing leglocks from half-guard, half-butterfly or butterfly before the rise of DDS is easy to find. They've always been my favorite way to do leglocks. Generally, my thing was standing entries for leglocks, so on one hand, I couldn't exactly prove my point with my own footage, because almost all my leglock finishes started from standing or came from a rolling attack, but I can absolutely say that butterfly, with hooks in, and half-guard, especially half-guard with the outer foot inside the leg, were my favorite places to attack for leglocks if I was on bottom. And I mean, I did it all the time, all the time.

Its one thing if you are going to say people weren't as systematic or whatever, but to say that people were only inverting from the guard and not doing the basic half-guard, butterfly leglock attacks is a gross exaggeration. Maybe, and this isn't a dig at BJJ'ists, but maybe it is just that they were more rare amongst BJJ'ists. But anyone into leglocks was certainly doing them from butterfly and half-guard and half-butterfly.