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Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by rerard, Aug 8, 2005.

  1. rerard

    rerard Green Belt

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    I guess its a modified keylock but im wondering if there is an exact name for it. I did this to someone yesterday and after I was kinda like wow what did I just do.

    Unlike the keylock you do this from the mount, I think it would be hard from sidemount. Kinda hard to describe the setup but that doesnt really matter so Ill just try to explain the finished position. Basically if you reached over your shoulder to scratch your back or shoulder blade that is the position the guy on bottom is on. Im sure there are different ways to do the grip and I dont know which is best yet since I kind of made it up on the spot, but what I did is used my outside hand (im attacking his left arm so my right hand) to grab his wrist and pin it against his shoulder, he has no power here so this is easy even on a big guy, you can kind of press your chest down on his elbow for even more help. Then I take my left forearm and cross it over my right forwarm kind of like if I were going to do an ezekial choke, and I start pushing my pushing down on his tricep/elbow with my left forearm while pulling down on his wrist with my right hand.

    Seems very similar too a keylock but the grips are different, and you cant do it from sidemount. Also its torqing the elbow not the shoulder.

    I know its sounds kinda hoopty but I did this on a purple belt and its the first time I ever tapped out a purple belt so I was so excited I forgot to ask him if he knew what it was called. I thought maybe a hammerlock but when I looked on bbj.org looks like that is syn. with keylock and americana.

    Please tell me no one has ever heard of it so I can call it the 'rerard elbow twist' :)
     
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    Sherdog_Mutt Purple Belt

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    I'm not sure I'm picturing this move right but it sounds like a submission that Carlos Gracie Jr. submitted me with before. Your grip is different from what he did but it's basically a shoulder lock where you also feel pressure on your tricep. I don't know if there's a specific name for it.
     
  3. mmahamzah

    mmahamzah Sheeeeit

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    who said you ant do a keylock or americana from sidemount

    i think this just a vaired keylock thats all
     
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    rerard Green Belt

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    No what I was saying is that you DO DO THE AMERICANA/KEYLOCK from sidemount, but this you cant really. I mean I guess you could try but it would be easy to escape, just like you CAN do a standard keylock from the mount but its better to do it from sidemount because your gonna get rolled from the mount most likely.
     
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    OldSkool Banned Banned

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    Any "Key Lock" like this or a varriation like this is called by BJJ guys the "Paint Brush"

    Reason for the name is this, just lifting the elbow will apply pressure. If you want insure that your opponent will Tap Out, perform the motion of pulling back so that the back of his hand drags on the mat toward your self. The back of his hand should move like a "Paint Brush" across the mat, thus the Name.

    But the varriation this thread is describing is a bit different and as "Darwinist" notes, this varriation is called the "Telephone", I am in agreement because I have heard it called "Answering the Phone".

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    2om30 Red Belt

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    The keylock is an americana.
     
  8. Americana was originally a wrestling move. Look up Bob Anderson, he taught this move to Rolls who innovated it into the keylock, paintbrush, Americana or whatever you want to call it today, along with most of the variations. Rolls was very well known for delving into different martial arts and finding ways to adapt their techniques to BJJ. He was a genius.
     
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    Sherdog_Mutt Purple Belt

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    What he's describing isn't exactly an americana, paint brush or "keylock". The arm's not out at a right angle. You don't have a monkey grip on the arm.
     
  10. rerard

    rerard Green Belt

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    Exactly, and its not a shoulder lock, the torque is actually on the elbow from the twisting motion, well I guess both but the guy I tapped said his elbow was what was hurting more.
     

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