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What is the point of circuit training with weights?

Rock Hard

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I am a personal trainer at a local health club, and I always get flack for training my clients (particularly females) with strength training. This is topic may be more geared towards personal trainers, but I figured I'd ask you guys what you think.

Typically, I will be assigned to see them 2 times per week. I'll have them do Bench Press, Parallel Squat, Bent Over Row, and Barbell Situps on Day 1, for 3-5 sets of 5 reps, at near-maximal loads. I correct them on their form until it's perfect, and then I add weight when they can handle more, without quite going to failure. On Day 2, I do the same thing with Romanian Deadlift, Military Press, Assisted Pullups, and squats with 80% of what they did on Day 1. (I borrow a lot from Madcow's 5x5. With some of my clients who have a lot of built up sessions, I'll take them through the full routine 3 days a week. Or, if they are doing a lot of cardio on the side, I'll just have them do 3 sets per exercise, and use the 5/3/1 format for the rep scheme.)

If it's a female client, and she wants to lose weight and "tone up", it is up to her to eat small, healthy portions every two hours, perform cardio as often as they can recover, and should be losing 1-2 pounds per week. The "toning up" will come from being able to lift heavier and having a solid strength base to work from...am I right?

HOWEVER, I always get flack for this, because my bosses and female clients protest by saying that strength training will make you "big and bulky," and that instead, I should put them through circuit training.

Pardon my ignorance, but whenever I see other trainers do circuit training, it just seems like a bunch of random bull**** without any measure of progress. The clients don't get stronger, and they just do different stuff every time. Seriously, what is the point?

It looks pretty boring, if you ask me. To me, and some of my clients, there is nothing more motivating than feeling strong and being able to increase the weight you are doing on a basic lift. What is the motivation behind doing a bunch of random stuff without ever really increasing the weight or perfecting the form?

See, if I want to give the client a higher intensity workout (meaning, more sweat and much less recovery to create an aerobic benefit), I will take them through a Muay Thai workout. Hitting thai pads is motivating, because of the power output you are generating and the resistance you recieve from the pad holder. There is progress to be measured by your form getting more proficient and your coordination getting better by doing longer combos at max power.

This is true with most sport activities as well, if performed intensely. But with weight training, the whole point is to get stronger! Lifting weights with random exercises, no increase of weight, and no ryhme or reason is just plain boring and pointless...or at least that's what it looks like to me. If the client wants a cardio benefit, but doesn't want to learn Kickboxing or play another sport on their own, then they should just go run or swim.

Am I missing something here?

Oh, and furthermore... Isn't it true that the optimum rep/set/recovery for building size is 8-12 reps, 3-6 sets, and 30-60 seconds recovery? That seems to perfectly describe most of the circuit training that I see most trainers do.

When I have my clients do strength training, it's 3-5 sets, 5 reps, and 1-2 minutes recovery. The only thing that happens to the clients that continue with me is their posture gets better, their numbers on the exercise increase dramatically, their form vastly improves, and they feel phenominal, rather than worn down and over-reached. They don't "get big" and gain a bunch of weight...or any at all. They start losing weight only when they start eating properly and cutting their calories enough to lose 2 pounds per week.

What's wrong with that? Sounds a hell of a lot better than random circuit training to me.
 
You are a personal trainer, not an S&C coach.

Actually, I am a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist, and I know that my strength workouts will give my clients better results than the typical random crapolla that most trainers have their clients do.
 
If you have a big enough clientele or word of mouth to make your own practice, I'd do that instead of staying under the health club you're at. If you don't have enough to make it on your own, then stay there and keep doing what you're doing.

If you are serious and all this was true, then good on you. Besides you're dealing with the misconceptions with weight training and the stereotypes behind it, like everyone is a bodybuilder or will look like one if they do it. In any case, just suck it up for now and keep going with that gym and perhaps others if you have the time and ambition.
 
Nothing is wrong with your strength training. People here mainly do circuit training as cardio to supplement their strength training. Sure Muay Thai is good, but sometimes barbell circuits are more convenient than going to a martial arts gym. For the purposes of strength, circuits or other high intensity cardio methods are shorter than some kickboxing workouts.

Keep in mind, strength training might not be the end all for your clients. There are times when a client would be too out of shape to be able to lift well, or a fat guy is tired of getting winded and not having energy, and would probably be suited to a bit more cardio than normal and have the strength training toned down a bit.
 
This is going to sound far harsher than intended and it's nothing against you, TS, but you shouldn't have gotten certified if you don't know the point of circuits.

The point of circuits:
Time - This is the biggest goal, get them in, put them through a workout, get them out the door.
Shock Value - A good run through a circuit is very demanding, it's important for PTers to keep things like circuits in their back pocket to spice things up. A bored client is an at-risk client.
They mix cardio with strength training, doing 5-8 sets of all different exercises back to back will engage the type 2 fibers (ideally) while forcing the CV system to support the continuous effort.
Remember who your clients are, personal training clients come in 2 flavors; sedentary/detrained people who need to get up to a certain degree of wellness/fitness and maintain it for health benefits and novice athletes who don't know their way around a gym. Neither would be hindered by circuits, if used properly, hell I think professional MMA fighters use them to help get used to acid burn.

If your fellow trainers are using circuits exclusively, they are not programming optimally, but excluding them completely is also suboptimal. They are a tool for spicing things up. Just like super sets, drop dets, tri-sets, etc. The key to successful personal training is variety. The more tools in your belt the better.

I was a professional personal trainer for several years and was very successful in terms of client retention and goal accomplishment, but I hated charging for it so I never pursued it as a career.

PS. You will always be fighting an uphill battle against women who think that weightlifting = Olympia instantly. If only it were that easy. You're doing a good job by incorporating lifting but circuits shouldn't be dismissed outright, they may not provide tangible metrics/benchmarks but they do keep things interesting, and keeping interest stoked is the hardest part as a trainer.
 
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It's hard to break down female misconceptions about strength training. Generally they associate weightlifting and females with roided up, freakish-looking (my opinion, I'm sure some people find them beautiful) female body-builders. When they think about circuit training and aerobics, they generally imagine an instructor with a toned and firm body, which is what they want (and they don't realize that the body is what got them the job, not what they teach).

It'll take a lot of effort to convince them otherwise, but you can start by pointing them to stumpuous.com, a site devoted to changing the way females think about health and exercise.
 
People, especially women, love to FEEL like their workout. It's why circuits are done by trainers, it's why you see assholes on bosuballs doing one legged lateral flyes, it's why P90x and Rushfit sell, it's why bootcamps and bullshit kickboxercise classes fill up, why people do yoga in 120 degree saunas, etc etc etc. This desire to FEEL THE BURN drives the exercise industry. Its sells magazines, keeps clientele with bad trainers, and makes ten thousand articles a week on the internet.

What does it accomplish? usually nothing, because successful circuit training takes more insight than the average trainer wants to put into their work. All those programs I listed will work for the untrained person (your average personal trainer client) but after about 8 weeks the results slow to a crawl.

Keep doing what you're doing, keep you clients focused on tangible, performance based results, and using cardio and diet to get off the unwanted bodyfat. They'll get results for longer. the hardest part is going to be selling them on the notion that the other trainers, their friends, the magazines, etc. are selling them bad information. Good luck!
 
People, especially women, love to FEEL like their workout. It's why circuits are done by trainers, it's why you see assholes on bosuballs doing one legged lateral flyes, it's why P90x and Rushfit sell, it's why bootcamps and bullshit kickboxercise classes fill up, why people do yoga in 120 degree saunas, etc etc etc. This desire to FEEL THE BURN drives the exercise industry. Its sells magazines, keeps clientele with bad trainers, and makes ten thousand articles a week on the internet.

What does it accomplish? usually nothing, because successful circuit training takes more insight than the average trainer wants to put into their work. All those programs I listed will work for the untrained person (your average personal trainer client) but after about 8 weeks the results slow to a crawl.

Keep doing what you're doing, keep you clients focused on tangible, performance based results, and using cardio and diet to get off the unwanted bodyfat. They'll get results for longer. the hardest part is going to be selling them on the notion that the other trainers, their friends, the magazines, etc. are selling them bad information. Good luck!

This times ten.
 
I have my clients mostly do compound exercises. 3-5 sets. 3-8 reps.

I try to get them to consistently work for heavier weights. I change things up more than I would like so one week they might do squats, next front squats, next bulgarian squats. Etc. It is not optimal for training, but due to some of the reasons acknowledged by the OP and other posts it helps with client retention.

I have had a few of the ladies I see Deadlift properly although only about 40+ kg.

Both ladies have told me that whilst they perhaps have not seen the huge changes on the scale. Usually a stated goal, they have dropped a couple of dress sizes. I think. with a bit of prodding from me, they have realised that is more important and in fact what they were after. What you look like is more important than a number on the scales (for these PT clients, not for those engaged in weight limited sports).

I usually end their session with a bit of intervals (most are familiar with LSD cardio and you don't get the time for that in a PT session) or circuits. Very useful again for the reasons pointed out in the thread.

My sessions tend to be:
5 min warm up any cardio.
5-10 mins Dynamic flexibiility
Approx 30 mins Main lifting session. Maybe 4-6 exercises. Super-sets where possible for time constraints.
10-20 minutes intervals/circuits.
5-10 min warm down stretches.

Times are approximate for a total hour long session.

It's a compromise on most effective training methods and keeping clients happy. I'm still learning and adapting though (hopefully always will be) and would welcome any good ideas from experienced trainers.
 
In this case, the customer is mostly (if not always) right.

Yes. The customers that go looking for a personal trainer are not looking for performance. They are only looking for someone to babysit them through their workout. Ask them when thy start what they really want. If they actually want s&c and your colleagues still give you crap then let them just ignore them.
 
I am also a trainer. I use circuits sometimes to keep them in constant motion. women want to sweat when they're in the gym. that is how they guage their daily workouts. if they sweat profusely and are fatigued then they call that training session a success (regardless of what they do). Plus it's fun to keep things interesting every now and then. I also use them for my "group deals". Some women would prefer to have a friend or two workout with them so it is much easier to set up several exercises and just let them have at it.
 
I am also a trainer. I make the women do alot of camel toe touches
 
Follow up thread:

"What is the point of.........rickdog?"
 
Where in the heck did my other stinking dang thread go??? SuperAlly, how dear you kritisize me. I don't take flak from anything, not eveen you. You better hold your tung. I go to the jim to train won of my klients and come back to this, what the!!! Super, if you ever want me to slap you in the mouth then just keep talking. I will spank you so hard you will never disrespek me again. I'm shore everyone agrees with me when I say "Super, if you want to fight me I will whale you"
 
Where in the heck did my other stinking dang thread go??? SuperAlly, how dear you kritisize me. I don't take flak from anything, not eveen you. You better hold your tung. I go to the jim to train won of my klients and come back to this, what the!!! Super, if you ever want me to slap you in the mouth then just keep talking. I will spank you so hard you will never disrespek me again. I'm shore everyone agrees with me when I say "Super, if you want to fight me I will whale you"

Yeah, but what can you bench?
 
I use circuits that are thought out for fat loss. A lot of my clients come to me because they don't like running, cycling, the elliptical or know that they can get better results in less time with circuit training.

A typical 1 hour session for one of my fat loss clients would be

2-3 minutes jogging/rowing or jump rope
8-10 minutes of active dynamic warm up
15-20 minutes of strength or OWL
5-20 minutes of circuit/conditioning
cool down and stretch with the remaining time.
 
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