What is the democratic message?

[EZShrimpn]

We have already seen. I"M A DEM and the only time I hear about Hillary Clinton is when people like you bring her up. You can't seem to let it go and I can only assume it's because people like Hannity can't seem to let her go.. You guys need a common enemy even if that enemy is make believe

Hillary Clinton is make believe?

Also you guys need someone to deflect your issues with your parents onto. You think everyone that disagrees with you is your right wing hannity watching boomer dad.

 

[ultramanhyata]

We have already seen. I"M A DEM and the only time I hear about Hillary Clinton is when people like you bring her up.

Would you support another Clinton run in 2020?

If not, why not?

Thanks.

 

[zebby23]

Would you support another Clinton run in 2020?

If not, why not?

Thanks.

Probably not.

1) I never really liked the Clintons
2) Is Chelsea running? I know nothing about her?
3) I generally don't support establishment candidates

 

[zebby23]

Hillary Clinton is make believe?

Also you guys need someone to deflect your issues with your parents onto. You think everyone that disagrees with you is your right wing hannity watching boomer dad.

haha.

Clinton is not make believe but the idea that she is still running things is certainly make believe.

You guys usually only get your thoughts from Hannity that is how I know it to be true.

Wonder who the next boogeyman Hannity will force feed you sheep

 

[ultramanhyata]

Probably not.

1) I never really liked the Clintons
2) Is Chelsea running? I know nothing about her?
3) I generally don't support establishment candidates

Did you vote for Clinton in the last general? What about the primary?

 

[zebby23]

Did you vote for Clinton in the last general? What about the primary?

Never voted Clinton... I voted for Bernie in the primary and wrote in Bernies name in the general

 

[EZShrimpn]

Clinton is not make believe but the idea that she is still running things is certainly make believe.

These kind of things have inertia. It is going to be very difficult for the DNC to divest from Hillary Clinton.

"The only way that Donald Trump can be a two-term president is if they run another Hillary Clinton, including Hillary Clinton. You think she's gone? She's not gone."

"But the Democratic establishment hasn't gone anywhere. They're the same guys, the same donors, the same guys on TV who support them wall to wall. Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the country, and you would be hard-pressed to name two Bernie Sanders supporters on all of television," said the TYT host.

He concluded: "So those guys will try to regain control, they're trying to do it right now. They've got a thousand dirty tricks. The only way that Donald Trump can get reelected is if the Democratic establishment wins, and they have another status quo, no change, pro-establishment, pro-elite candidate."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...n_2020_is_to_run_another_hillary_clinton.html

 

[ultramanhyata]

Never voted Clinton... I voted for Bernie in the primary and wrote in Bernies name in the general

Same here. lol

 

[Jack V Savage]

ya, ezshrimpin.

I should ignore him too but i haven't gotten to that point yet.
If Dick Cheney ran as a Dem they would figure out a way to make him the most hated man in the world. You are right, republicans are so gullible and easily manipulated it;s hilarious[

Just to illustrate the point:

Heritage Foundation President/Former Senator Jim DeMint:

I am optimistic and hopeful about your role as secretary of State. And despite the news accounts that say that I’m the one that’s going to ask you the hard questions about potential conflicts of interest, I have no questions about your integrity.

Senator Jon Kyl on Clinton becoming SoS:

It seems to me she’s got the experience, she’s got the temperament for it. She would be well-received around the world.

Rick Perry:

I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s health care system are most commendable.

Paul Ryan:

Look, if we had a (Hillary) Clinton presidency … I think we would have fixed this fiscal mess by now.

Could go on (even Cheney had high praise for her before she ran again). Likewise, Hillary was always regarded as the left-leaning member of the Clinton team and was long beloved by the left. But now we're supposed to believe that they all uniquely hated Clinton because of some personal quality rather than just that they hate whoever the Democratic nominee is. At some point, you'd think that people would notice the pattern.

 

[EZShrimpn]

Clinton's major policy initiatives as SOS:

• Russian "Reset."
• Arming Syrian Islamist "Rebels."
• Toppling Libyan Government and converting it into a terrorist training camp.

She was an utter failure and I disagree with every one of her policy initiatives on their own merits of mass stupidity.

 

[RockstarChris]

Well, I assume you mean to ask do I agree with it and sure, I'm totally fine with responsible people owning guns (I like them myself). It's not a big political issue for me at all though.

I am sympathetic to the victims of gun violence in schools.

The 2nd amendment does not say that you have to be a responsible gun owner to own a gun.

 

[franklinstower]

In 2008 Obama got more support from Wall Street - in the form of campaign contributions - than republican McCain.

So is anyone surprised he let every one of those parasitic fuckers off the hook after they blew up the economy?

I naively was surprised and corporate media just goes on and on about how great he was. It wasn't until I started listening to Democracy Now, TYT and such, that I got a much more compete picture and its an ugly one.

Obama is only less evil than Republicans but its not by much at all.

Just from my own personal experience most people don't believe in or else cannot relate to real change. Most people have never undergone radical change in their state of being so its easy to view radical change as naive.

 

[kpt018]

The 2nd amendment does not say that you have to be a responsible gun owner to own a gun.

I was aware of that but thank you. I was giving my thoughts, which is what you asked for.

 

[kpt018]

I naively was surprised and corporate media just goes on and on about how great he was. It wasn't until I started listening to Democracy Now, TYT and such, that I got a much more compete picture and its an ugly one.

Obama is only less evil than Republicans but its not by much at all.

Just from my own personal experience most people don't believe in or else cannot relate to real change. Most people have never undergone radical change in their state of being so its easy to view radical change as naive.

I'll bite. Why do you say Obama was evil?

 

[franklinstower]

I'll bite. Why do you say Obama was evil?

Probably shouldn't have said it that way on a public forum. It was a poor choice of language with many people coming from different places to read it....

I am coming also from a Christian standpoint which is primarily why I regret using the term evil as I feel it is dangerous to be throwing that word around in political arguments.

I was mentioning war crimes via drone strikes that have killed over 200 children, also economic policies that greatly favor and benefit the wealthy over the poor and middle class, and that criminal charges were NEVER seriously pursued for the white collar criminals of wall street let alone none of these people were even seriously called out in the court of public opinion on the part of the Obama admin.

 

[ChainFlow]

The 2nd amendment does not say that you have to be a responsible gun owner to own a gun.

Are you against restrictions on the purchase of firearms by convicted violent felons?

 

[kpt018]

Probably shouldn't have said it that way on a public forum. It was a poor choice of language with many people coming from different places to read it....

I am coming also from a Christian standpoint which is primarily why I regret using the term evil as I feel it is dangerous to be throwing that word around in political arguments.

I was mentioning war crimes via drone strikes that have killed over 200 children, also economic policies that greatly favor and benefit the wealthy over the poor and middle class, and that criminal charges were NEVER seriously pursued for the white collar criminals of wall street let alone none of these people were even seriously called out in the court of public opinion on the part of the Obama admin.

It's cool man, evil did strike me as hyperbolic.

And it's hard to say this without sounding like I'd ever give a free pass for killing innocent people but collateral damage happens in every war. If you're going to call him a war criminal you'll have to point to all the facts surrounding those cases.

There was one interview that changed my view on this (forgot who it was with) but the guy was a green barrette or something and he described missions in which they had orders to take out well known terrorists who were basically killing innocent people. They ordered a strike on him and the terrorists grabbed innocents because they knew Americans would take care to avoid killing them but they didn't know this so the terrorists and innocents were killed. In that scenario the terrorists used innocents as a shield and that's why they were killed.

Anyway, that's just one story from one dude but the issue is complicated.

And I asked Ultra but someone will have to point to actual crimes that Obama actively prevented investigations into, but I'm confident they don't exist. And the part about him having policies that favor the wealthy over the poor is just flat out wrong and quite the opposite.

 

[RockstarChris]

Are you against restrictions on the purchase of firearms by convicted violent felons?

no if you commit a crime you lose your rights.

 

[RockstarChris]

It's cool man, evil did strike me as hyperbolic.

And it's hard to say this without sounding like I'd ever give a free pass for killing innocent people but collateral damage happens in every war. If you're going to call him a war criminal you'll have to point to all the facts surrounding those cases.

There was one interview that changed my view on this (forgot who it was with) but the guy was a green barrette or something and he described missions in which they had orders to take out well known terrorists who were basically killing innocent people. They ordered a strike on him and the terrorists grabbed innocents because they knew Americans would take care to avoid killing them but they didn't know this so the terrorists and innocents were killed. In that scenario the terrorists used innocents as a shield and that's why they were killed.

Anyway, that's just one story from one dude but the issue is complicated.

And I asked Ultra but someone will have to point to actual crimes that Obama actively prevented investigations into, but I'm confident they don't exist. And the part about him having policies that favor the wealthy over the poor is just flat out wrong and quite the opposite.

Well you have your first amendment right to be an idiot.

 

[kpt018]

Well you have your first amendment right to be an idiot.

What?