What is a lucky punch?

[Deleted member 466273]

I saw the fight. .

Clearly not

 

[Seano]

Clearly not

I'm not playing this game with you. I'll explain this one time and then I'm not responding to you in this thread again. The poster I quoted said Lewis got complacent 3 times. He got KO'd twice, so those are clearly the first two, which leaves the question of the other. Vitali is generally considered on of his toughest opponents, so you'd have to assume it was another of his close fights, the Mercer fight being an obvious mediocre showing from Lewis.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Whats your 3rd? The Mercer fight?

Vitali. I think beating Tyson and being undisputed was all he needed to do. What else is there especially with how long he’s been at the top

I think he was a little bit fortunate against mercer, not complacent

 

[Seano]

Vitali. I think beating Tyson and being undisputed was all he needed to do. What else is there especially with how long he’s been at the top

I think he was a little bit fortunate against mercer, not complacent

I think Vitali was just a better opponent than expected.

Against Mercer, I felt like he fought down to him.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

I'm not playing this game with you. I'll explain this one time and then I'm not responding to you in this thread again. The poster I quoted said Lewis got complacent 3 times. He got KO'd twice, so those are clearly the first two, which leaves the question of the other. Vitali is generally considered on of his toughest opponents, so you'd have to assume it was another of his close fights, the Mercer fight being an obvious mediocre showing from Lewis.

Mercer fought a perfect fight and was a very good boxer when he was ON.. Simple as that. Wladimir destroyed Mercer when he was old and washed up. So nobody should judge him based on that.

 

[Prefect]

I don't believe in lucky punches. I do believe in fortunate timing.

 

[Seano]

I don't believe in lucky punches. I do believe in fortunate timing.

I generally don't either but Danny Garcia is a pretty lucky puncher. I mean, he does what he means to do, but he knocks people sideways with his head down and eyes closed.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

It wouldn't have been a tragedy for me if Lewis-Mercer was ruled a draw. It was close enough for that to happen. So Lewis performance wasn't that bad.

A win for Lewis was very rough though and Mercer said how hurt he felt by it, especially on home turf.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

Since now the thread is more about Mercer/Lewis than anything else, I scored that one for Lewis both times I watched. Mercer did himself proud, but Lewis fought down to a guy who got schooled silly by the same Holmes Tyson walked thru in 4, actually an older version, and the same Holmes McCall somehow beat.

Dont think Mercer was elite, more on the fringe of the top level at hw

 

[cottagecheesefan]

It’s hard. And took a while to think, but there are a few examples of lucky punches

Floyd Mayweather vs. Victor Ortiz

Jack Johnson vs. Stanley Ketchel

Over a hundred years ago I know lol. In those days people didn’t want quick knockouts. They wanted the fights to be a full length motion picture. It’s why a lot of Jack Johnson’s fights almost in a way look like sparring sessions. Yet Ketchel saw an opportunity to try and snake him and went for it. Unfortunately for him, Jack Johnson recovered and made him pay big time lol. I’d say Stanley Ketchel landed a lucky punch in that fight

I know I’m probably gonna get some shit for this one lol. Probably should keep my mouth shut, it’s heavily up for debate, but I think luck was on Lennox Lewis’s side in the Vitali Klitschko fight. Sure the cuts were bad, sure Lennox finished the 6th round on top, but he was still barely hanging on. I think if they let that go a couple more rounds Vitali would’ve gotten a tko win. An interesting time in both their careers though. Before Vitali was at his best, after Lennox was at his. If there was a rematch I think Vitali would’ve annihilated him

Lennox opening up a cut could potentially be a lucky outcome, but the shot is legit.

Floyd vs Ortiz also has absolutely nothing to do with luck. One might consider it dirty, but not lucky.

I mean, some examples MIGHT be like Foreman vs Moorer, Corrales vs Castillo, Pavlik vs Taylor 1

But at the same time I dont see them as lucky shots. Maybe desperate, but that if different.

 

[eternaldarkness]

Lennox opening up a cut could potentially be a lucky outcome, but the shot is legit.

Floyd vs Ortiz also has absolutely nothing to do with luck. One might consider it dirty, but not lucky.

I mean, some examples MIGHT be like Foreman vs Moorer, Corrales vs Castillo, Pavlik vs Taylor 1

But at the same time I dont see them as lucky shots. Maybe desperate, but that if different.

The moorer one was classic. The commentator was talking about foreman suckering him by throwing half power punches.

 

[Boxing Superpower]

It’s a punch that I throw which hits a person 20 years younger than me!

 

[eighterumg5]

Floyd Mayweather vs. Victor Ortiz maybe? Lol ‍

that was such a bullshit move he did

 

[Hagler]

It’s a punch whose success depends on a opponent’s brain fart.

Of course you still have to take advantage of it.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Nothing lucky about it? lewis had his hands down, smiled, and got koed. It is the definition of lucky punch win. Rahman couldn't even touch Lewis in the rematch. If they fight 100 times and Lewis takes him seriously 100 times, it is 100-0 to Lewis

Lol Then he was complacent and not lucky! Youre arguing against your own point

 

[Jonny Ninja]

I think Vitali was just a better opponent than expected.

Against Mercer, I felt like he fought down to him.

Yeah that’s fair enough. Personally I think he would’ve dealt with vitali without taking the early damage if his mindset was the same as the Tyson/Holyfield fight. And I’m not surprised he retired straight after
I just thought mercer fought a great fight, or Lennox had an off night. I still had Lewis just about but then I am biased

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Lol Then he was complacent and not lucky! Youre arguing against your own point

The lucky puncher in Lewis Rahman I is Rahman

 

[Jonny Ninja]

The lucky puncher in Lewis Rahman I is Rahman

So he’s lucky that Lewis dropped his hands? It’s called complacency pal. Fighters drop their hands and get knocked out all of the time. There can be a number of reasons why they do this, and almost none of them are down to luck

 

[Deleted member 466273]

So he’s lucky that Lewis dropped his hands? It’s called complacency pal. Fighters drop their hands and get knocked out all of the time. There can be a number of reasons why they do this, and almost none of them are down to luck

Dropping his hands is just one out of several things. Lewis said he didn't anticipate the type of punch whatsoever, which is why it got through like it did. It was a complete brain fart.

 

[aries]

I would say that graham was lucky up until that point, not to get cracked. When one of the most dangerous punchers ever, catches a guy and ko's them with one shot, luck doesn't have a lot to do with it.

Maybe not but more likely it was complacency on Graham's part. He had his opponent pinned into a corner and Jackson was shelling up then he let go his right hand and caught Herol mid-combo.