I know the story - that parts of JJJ required too much strength so they were modified. But does anyone have specific examples of the JJJ vs BJJ equivalent positions/throws/subs etc?
Thanks in advance,
Ox.
The gracies where taught judo not japanese jiu jitsu, I know the difference in some cases is all a blur but the gracies where taught judo and they worked from there on there own .
The man that taught them also crossed trained on the fly by having bloody vale tudo / wrestling matches / and even prostyle wrestling he obviously had to change his style to compete in such different styles .
I know the story - that parts of JJJ required too much strength so they were modified. But does anyone have specific examples of the JJJ vs BJJ equivalent positions/throws/subs etc?
Thanks in advance,
Ox.
(all BJJ is Gracie anyways, whatever Rorion will allow the use of the name or not) came from the same art, which is Kano Jiu-Jitsu.
Positional hierarchy on the ground is the most important change. The old school techniques are very basic techniques, and present in just about every sub grappling art. That said, absolutely no one on this board is qualified to answer beyond this, because we weren't around. Judo and BJJ both have an armbar from the "guard" position. Did Helio teach if differently from the way it was being done at the time? We don't know. We don't know if he added some new details or what. The key difference was the strategy imo. As far as tactics, very hard to say.
As someone already pointed out, the Gracies learned Judo, not JJJ. JJJ incorporates strikes and disarmament. BJJ is more like the martial art form of Judo with all the throws taken out.
The gracies where taught judo not japanese jiu jitsu, I know the difference in some cases is all a blur but the gracies where taught judo and they worked from there on there own .
The man that taught them also crossed trained on the fly by having bloody vale tudo / wrestling matches / and even prostyle wrestling he obviously had to change his style to compete in such different styles .
All BJJ is not Gracie. You should look up the Fadda's.
Yeah, I know about Fadda, Franca etc. But honestly, specially outside of Brazil, how many schools are there which did not come from the Gracie side?
gracie jiu jitsu is more of a marketing ploy, brazilian jiu jitsu, is the wide based name coming from the ground fighting we do. hell eddie bravo calls his 10th planet. it's all jiu jitsu, it's all based off what was first taught. oh and if you talk to most people who's lineage traces to carlson gracie Sr. it's brazilian jiu jitsu. That fun litle family feud has made some pretty big names almost anti gracie....
Actually my boyfriend, is a black belt under a fadda black belt... there are plenty of them out there....
It's good to see there is somebody else out there that doesn't have their head up a Gracie's ass.
Exactly. Maeda is a judoka