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What if Maeda had called it judo?
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According to Kano, the main reason he changed the name from Ju-jitsu into Judo was the emphasis on the way (Do) rather than on technique (Jitsu/jutsu ). If we carefully observe, this is exactly what the Gracie family and other disciples of Maeda did. They focused on the technique (Jitsu), not on its moral precepts.
I think that it certainly could have influenced on the name of this new martial art that emerged from Kano school, but the main reason for it nowadays is the marketing, if it's taken account that the acronym BJJ is used for different purposes, but until the final of past century it was called just Jiu Jitsu. The adjective Brazilian - chiefly in English - was a term difused along with the emigration and institutionalization of Jiu Jitsu as a new sports modality.
From other angle, would Ju-Jutsu has been called Judo if Japan had not been influenced by western worldview?
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I think judo would never have existed.
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Let us image what if the Gracies had been Kodokan judo practitioners... today MMA would have been a mix between judo, wrestling, muay thai and boxing; and today we would have be here arguing about what would be best base for MMA between judo and wrestling.
And Japanese ju jitsu would have been the only ju jitsu in the World.
And Japanese ju jitsu would have been the only ju jitsu in the World.
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>>>>Would it just have been known as Brazilian judo (BJ)
No. It would be jiudo just as jujutsu became jiujitsu where maeda traveled. Maeda spoke Japanese with terrible regional accents.
No. It would be jiudo just as jujutsu became jiujitsu where maeda traveled. Maeda spoke Japanese with terrible regional accents.
But Kano incorporated takedowns from wrestling that Judo did not have
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Judo sucks for MMA. The reason why BJJ is good for MMA is because of striking awareness, striking position, putting these striking positions in a hierarchy, and as John Danaher said the fact that BJJ has a system that guides you from the beginning, through the middle, until the end of the fight.
None of this came from Judo. Only the techniques themselves. Which is obviously not enough to be successful in MMA or similar (that is, in a fight).
It's like Freestyle and Folk. It is the difference between the two arts that makes one better than the other for MMA, not the similarity.
And lol at the guy who started the thread being the same one who resurrected her. Quarantine is really boring everyone.
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He cock guy, so much cock. But he know how to apply the presh when he do the BJ.
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Judo didn't, or else he wouldn't have incorporated it from Wrestling.
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And you still resurrected your own thread ...
To make good use of this thread here, none of the other many Maeda students fight like the Gracies, that is BJJ, as far as we know. Maeda had students whose lineage remains Judo, his Judo academy still exists as far as I know, and one of his students taught Tatu Hatem, and thus influenced the creation of Luta Livre.
And none of them fight like the Gracie as far as we know, the guys of Luta Livre certainly don't. Therefore, the idea that he was responsible or influential in creating BJJ is false, he taught Judo to the Gracies, period, from then on it was the work of the Gracies.
One interesting information; as I pointed out in the thread that speaks of Flavio Canto's lineage, it was only through the Gracies that someone from the Maeda lineage became an Olympic medalist, one of them being Flavio Canto himself, who learned among others from Haroldo Brito (a student of a George Gracie student).
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What if Stuttering Bill from Stephen King's IT biggest fear was falling in love?
Every martial arts or combat sport had its own evolution; I don't see anything of strange.
Is it forbidden? I asked it because I hate MMA and BJJ. I would have preferred a MMA judo based; or even better a style vs style.
No, judo took a separated path from ju juitsu; and BJJ evolved from judo.
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BJJrs are just Gracie Jiu Jitsu in fact, the other students of Maeda are the Luta Livre guys, one of the teachers of Tatu was a student of Maeda, and I sincerely doubt that there is anything special about the students of Maeda who remained Judocas or we would have already discovered that, with the popularity of BJJ and everything. It then appears that Maeda did not fathered the BJJ, he was just an ordinary Judoka, or if anything one who practiced Newaza more than modern judokas.
Exact. If the name had been different, Brazilian Judo for example, it wouldn't have changed that. Like the Submission Grappling, as someone has already posted, SAMBO, and Luta Livre. All of these are descendants of judo (in the case of Submission Wrestling by way of BJJ), and also of other martial arts, although the role of these other martial arts is generally diminished by the judo nutriders when compared to the role of judo, because they obviously have an agenda.
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I'd assume it would still stuck with Jiu-jitsu as Brazil had a large japanesse imigration population at the time of Madea's arrival and the prefered term at the time. Madea also wasn't the first to teach Jiu-jitsu in Brazil either. Soshihiro Satake a Kodokan Judoka who traveled with Madea in the past is reconized as having the first school registered in Brazil. Another Kodokan who traveled with Madea ,Geo Omori was also calling It Jiu jitsu as well, not counting the other lineages I didn't mention. Both of those guys also taught Luiz Franca, who in tern taught Fadda along side Madea and have their own lineage. Id assume if he knew judo would been the preferred term, he possibly would still gone with jiu-jitsu and go along with what his established training partners was doing before his arrival.
Nope.. It was naned exactly what Maeda refered to it as. It was known as jiujitsu in Brazil. So had he said Judo, it would have been probably called Gracie Judo.
You can say it because you know BJJ and its features.
But; if Maeda, Fadda, the Gracies had been judokas, today judo would seem ok for MMA (BJJ would never have existed), this hypothetical judo based MMA would have been the normality.
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Or maybe CACC would be the norm because unlike Judo it does not have stupid Olympic rules in the way. Ken Shamrock beat a Judoca in UFC2 (I think it was in 2, but maybe it was in another).
Or maybe there would be no MMA at all.
The truth is, we'll never know.
Surely it would have been so.
It was UFC 3
