What if Maeda had called it judo?

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All of us know Maeda was a Kodokan judoka; but when he left Japan, judo was still called "Kano ju jitsu" or "Kodokan ju jitsu"; it took years to be named judo.
Let's image Maeda had left Japan years later, when the new martial art had been called judo; and so he taught it in Brazil with the name of judo since the beginning, what would have happened?
Would it just have been known as Brazilian judo (BJ), remaining a sport of his own?
Or would it have been incorporated in judo, since the had the same name, and judo is way more widespreaded all over the world?
 
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Interesting thought. The Gracies may have ended up changing the name anyways, since they wanted to distinct and market themselves.
 
Interesting thought. The Gracies may have ended up changing the name anyways, since they wanted to distinct and market themselves.
Indeed; maybe they would have called it "Gracie judo" or "Brazilian judo". But at least it would have been called for what really it is; and the name ju jitsu would have remained only for the Japanese one.
 
Indeed; maybe they would have called it "Gracie judo" or "Brazilian judo". But at least it would have been called for what really it is; and the name ju jitsu would have remained only for the Japanese one.

What if kano kept calling it what it was? Instread of putting a new name on it?
 
Judo in Japan and Kano?
According to historicans, to bring sport in folk since childhood, he not invented, he removed from jiu jitsu ( jujitsu ) dangerous techniques and techniques, if these hard to judge in tournaments.
He developed curricilum and introduced belts system, before Kano in Japan belts system does not existed at all.
General assumption that belts were introduced for childrens motivation.
Some karate senseis told me, that they think true reason for coloured belts introduction was different.

Classes become larger, sensei had to supervise not 10 or 20 kids in class as in earlier years, but maybe 100 or more kids in class.
For sparring, drilling randori sensei had to arrange pairs. Kids size sensei can see, but quickly remember each kid?
So coloured belts helped to see kids qualification not only size. Easier to work for sensei.
Judo was promoted to schools as sport and Kano cared about porblem, how to teach kids, especially in large class.
 
Even kano himself states that the name change was for pr purposes because of the negative image that jiu jitsu had.
 
What specific techniques did kano invent?

Its an interesting question as to what qualifies something as becoming a 'new' martial art.

I don't think Judo or BJJ if created with today's speed and methods of communication would have been able to claim itself as as something new.
 
Warning: Long ramble on history inbound.

Modifying koryu ju jitsu, he created a new system.

I think it would be accurate to state that he:

1. aggregated the available techniques and information,
2. culled techniques that could not be trained "alive", (arguable, I know, as Kano kept records of all of the techniques to preserve the styles, but given that this was all sealed away I think it's a fair statement)
3. created a curriculum for learning,
4. formulated an overall "game plan" (obviously while kuzushi wasn't his idea, with traces being found in Kito-Ryu, I think his systematic approach justifies being called a separate thing)
5. created a competition ruleset to promote values they thought important, and
6. promoted a method of training ("alive") that led to skill acquisition (obviously he wasn't the first person to train on a live resisting opponent, as Sumo had been in existence for many centuries).

As a result of these actions, and with the help of other full time grapplers, the environment/methodology and competition goals he created drove innovation. Ironically, it drove innovation that he himself would come to disdain (see: extended ground grappling), as he felt it was not effective for self-defense.

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As for the Gracies, beginning with Maeda's view point (which differed from, I think we can agree, from the message of the Kodokan), they:

1. aggregated the available techniques and information (many gracies cross trained in wrestling, sambo, luta livre, catch/shooto/whatever the hell you want to call it, and other grappling arts; I think I recall one of the early non-brazilian black belts saying he learned of the "omoplata" from a lethwei tournament. Ignoring that, they also had some striking elements (that lame-side kick to close the distance, kicking to stand up in base, striking on the ground, etc.))
2. culled techniques (albeit not in the same manner as Judo, but more so those that did not fit into the methodology/risk tolerance of the Gracies)
3. created a curriculum for learning,
4. formulated an overall "game plan" (regardless as to one's opinion of their game plan, it was certainly different from that of Judo. I'm sure some would make the argument that Fusen Ryu / Kosen had the idea first, but A) there's a lot of misunderstanding regarding Fusen Ryu, and the overall preference for ground fighting appears to be Tanabe's preference as opposed to the stylistic preference, and B) Maeda was about as far geographically as one could get from the epicenter of Kosen Judo, and more importantly, left Japan before "Kosen" became a thing. It's similar, sure, but it's not a direct derivative. If we're playing the "who thought of it first" game, we need to name it after some Greek wrestlers)
5. created a competition ruleset to promote the values they thought important, and
6. promoted a method of training ("alive") that led to skill acquisition

As a result of these actions, and with the help of other full time grapplers, the environment/methodology and competition goals they promoted drove innovation. Ironically, it drove innovation that they themselves would come to disdain (see: berimbolos/modern BJJ), as they felt it was not effective for self-defense.

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So, given that they by and large took identical steps in formation, either both Judo and BJJ are "new" enough to be considered their own arts, or if BJJ doesn't "innovate" enough, then neither does Judo. In which case Judo should just be called Japanese Jiu Jitsu, but then arguably BJJ, as its derivative, would retain its same name.

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I think a strong argument for the moral rights of BJJ could be made that it should be called "Maeda Jiu Jitsu," since he likely was the originator of these ideas amongst the Gracies (which gets even more complicated, because how do you ignore Geo Omori Jacyntho Ferro, Donato Pires dos Reis, Takeo Yano, Sumiyuki Kotani, and Chugo Sato). But the Gracie marketing team was strong (which borrowed from Maeda's marketing style, but neither here nor there), and here we are.

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Arguments aside, and as a practical matter, the term "Judo" wasn't mandated by the Japanese government until 1925, and the term didn't become widely known in Brazil until the 1950's. To think about it in today's modern context though, it's an atrocious idea to name it after the prescribed by "common knowledge" of the average person. It would be akin to an American learning BJJ, changing it, and calling it something like "American Karate." Awful. Though I guess we've kind of done that with "Submission Wrestling," eh?

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On a parting, random thought, I have read some speculation that Maeda's use of the term "Jiu Jitsu" was intentional. No one within the Kodokan referred to Judo as "Kano Jiu Jitsu" (historically, you can only find one item that calls it "Kano Jiu Jitsu," and that's a book written by a European, filled with non-Judo, but used Kano's name to boost sales. For better or worse, the site "Global Training Report," which is popular for its rather critical approach to the Gracie family and BJJ in general, relies heavily upon the information in this book to influence their opinion on the history and originality of BJJ. How they rectify this in light of the fact Kano signed this book for a person writing, "This is not Judo," I don't know.). It was instead Judo. So why would Maeda have called what he did "Jiu Jitsu" instead? The obvious answer, as I said before, is public recognition. Same reason Tae Kwon Do schools advertised as Karate in the 90's/00's/(now). But another interesting perspective is that Maeda didn't want to call what he did "Judo," as using Judo in free fighting was a sure fire way to get on Kano's shitlist. Put another way, Maeda differentiated between free fighting (Jiu Jitsu) and a method of physical, mental, and psychological development (Judo). But again, that's just speculation.
 
I don't think, that Japanesse Judo can be called Japanese Jiu Jitsu because Judo mainly focuses on throvs, antother mastery.
In fact these Japanese jiujitsu, jujutsu are quite different than Japanesse Judo. When tournaments video watched, huge difference appears.
 
probably gracie judo, since in brazil no one calls jiu jitsu brazilian jiu jitusu, its just jiu jitsu. So its logical that it wouldve been judo, so gracies giving their take to judo, wouldve end up being Gracie Judo
 
Quite often in France it is called Brazilian judo.

Lol.
It is just a common joke that we do.

Since bjj is really find of ground techniques known as newaza in judo terminology.

Sometimes, I just call it Brazilian Ne Waza.
 
probably gracie judo, since in brazil no one calls jiu jitsu brazilian jiu jitusu, its just jiu jitsu. So its logical that it wouldve been judo, so gracies giving their take to judo, wouldve end up being Gracie Judo

Pretty much.
Medhi who passed away but his facebook paged name is Medhi Judo.
 
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