What if bernie starts to dominate?

[HockeyBjj]

I'm hoping Bernie wins the majority of the Democratic public vote and primaries, but Hillary gets the nomination because of all the super delegates

That'd be something even media couldn't avoid (and would jump on for the story) to show how corrupt the Democratic nomination procedure is and that it just gives the illusion of Democracy.

Plus would give Republicans more ammo to bury Hilary with. Fuck I just hope Trump doesn't get the nod

 

[gspieler]

By repeating exactly what you said verbatim. ???



Again, how does this make sense to you? The model I'm now gathering that you're working on is the media are a bunch of bullies who need to target someone and will pick the one they can most effectively succeed at ruining.



I've said before that the MSM media can be thought of as the big city media, and they tend to reflect the views of educated, affluent urban dwellers. Someone conservative on economic issues (well to the right of Clinton, FYI) and somewhat liberal on social issues (non-religious, accepting of diversity, etc.). And there are candidates who they like and who they don't, which is mostly based on how they're treated by those candidates. But the idea that if some candidate rises in the polls, he's going to start getting attacked because he doesn't "represent corporate interests" (a meaningless phrase, pretty much) is just silly, and I think you know that.

The pattern that we usually see is that as an underdog candidate rises in the polls, he gets a period of fawning coverage followed by increased scrutiny into his past. If there's anything there (see Herman Cain), it dominates the story, and you often have a crash and burn situation. If not (see Obama), they move into the regular frontrunner type coverage.

You quoted what I said, and added further implications on top of that, which weren't representative of what I was really trying to say. Pretty much textbook strawman. All I'm saying is that, if Bernie gets the nom(and that's a huge if), I expect the coverage of him to take a more negative turn relative to his current coverage, which is somewhat light-hearted. And IMO, it would be at least partially related to him being an unorthodox candidate. Do with that what you will.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You quoted what I said, and added further implications on top of that, which weren't representative of what I was really trying to say.

Which part was that?

All I'm saying is that, if Bernie gets the nom(and that's a huge if), I expect the coverage of him to take a more negative turn relative to his current coverage, which is somewhat light-hearted. And IMO, it would be at least partially related to him being an unorthodox candidate. Do with that what you will.

Dude, if that's what you said in the beginning, I wouldn't have even responded. I said myself that as a longshot candidate starts doing better, he gets more scrutiny. The implication that there's something about Bernie that is going to make the media try to take him down (or "do their best to bury him") is what I was ridiculous.

 

[gspieler]

I said the media will attempt to bury Sanders, pending his nomination. Of course, assuming that the reader would make the reasonable assumption, and interpret it figuratively as a general trend of coverage of Bernie being shown in a negative/inept/naive light(being linked with his outsider status). You, in turn, interpreted that as me claiming there's going to be some secret meeting between members of the media to actively suppress his campaign at every turn. But if you want to suggest I'm being tin foil about, ok. My previous post pretty much clarified my position on the subject.

 

[ajwbjj87]

If Bernie wins the Dem nomination, and anybody but Trump wins the Repub nom, the media will probably do its best to bury him. Up until now, he's been treated largely as a novelty, but if things start to get serious, that tune could change pretty quick.

The Ron Paul treatment

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

If Bernie wins the Dem nomination, and anybody but Trump wins the Repub nom, the media will probably do its best to bury him. Up until now, he's been treated largely as a novelty, but if things start to get serious, that tune could change pretty quick.

Why? Majority of media is Liberal, and they'd fucking love the Bern

 

[Hallelujah]

Well the president is a front man so he will be hated like Obama and Bush. But he is Jewish and has been a very loyal lifelong politician. He's always done what he's told and has never made any waves. Make no mistake when he leaves office he will be praised as the greatest ever, just like Einstein even though e=mc2 was plagiarized.

 

[m52nickerson]

Bernie is a socialist. That tag alone means there is zero chance he can become president. The corporations will destroy him and most Americans are already ignorant. You can go around ask 100 people in the streets whats a socialist and i would be surprised if 10 actually know what it is

You don't seem to know what it is. Bernie Sanders describes himself as a Democratic Socialist, which is far off from being a Socialist.

 

[SMEAC]

You don't seem to know what it is. Bernie Sanders describes himself as a Democratic Socialist, which is far off from being a Socialist.

You just reinforced his post

 

[drstrangelov]

Stock market crash, mass hysteria, cats and dogs living together.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I said the media will attempt to bury Sanders, pending his nomination. Of course, assuming that the reader would make the reasonable assumption, and interpret it figuratively as a general trend of coverage of Bernie being shown in a negative/inept/naive light(being linked with his outsider status). You, in turn, interpreted that as me claiming there's going to be some secret meeting between members of the media to actively suppress his campaign at every turn. But if you want to suggest I'm being tin foil about, ok. My previous post pretty much clarified my position on the subject.

And now you're back to suggesting some kind of weird conspiracy because he's an "outsider" (which, of course, he would no longer be if he were to become the favorite to win the nomination). You just don't like calling it a conspiracy. OK.

The Ron Paul treatment

Ron Paul got highly favorable coverage, though, no? Just not a lot of it because he was rightly never seen as a likely winner.

 

[m52nickerson]

You just reinforced his post

Not at all, unless you think Bernie is advocating for the government to take over all private businesses and private property. Those are the main tenants of Socialism.

 

[gspieler]

You don't seem to know what it is. Bernie Sanders describes himself as a Democratic Socialist, which is far off from being a Socialist.

Tbf, democracy is a political construct; socialism is an economic one. And calling yourself a "Democratic Socialist" has much stronger implications of being socialist than anything else. But you're right that Bernie is far from being a pure socialist. I think most people still fall for the fallacy of equating socialism with totalitarianism.

 

[SMEAC]

Not at all, unless you think Bernie is advocating for the government to take over all private businesses and private property. Those are the main tenants of Socialism.

Dude literally said that he had the socialist tag, most don't know what socialism is and that he won't overcome that.

You are just implying shit

 

[gspieler]

And now you're back to suggesting some kind of weird conspiracy because he's an "outsider" (which, of course, he would no longer be if he were to become the favorite to win the nomination). You just don't like calling it a conspiracy. OK.



Ron Paul got highly favorable coverage, though, no? Just not a lot of it because he was rightly never seen as a likely winner.

I disagree that Bernie would cease to be an outsider if he got the nomination. He would be doing so in the absence of the support of the base, super delegates, dat super pac money, etc. Getting the presidency is where the bar is set. I mean, would you consider Trump to be a non-outsider if he got the nom?

 

[n...not crazy]

Somehow, someway, he's going to get screwed by Hillary and the DNC.

Count on it.

Yep

 

[Jack V Savage]

I disagree that Bernie would cease to be an outsider if he got the nomination. He would be doing so in the absence of the support of the base, super delegates, dat super pac money, etc. Getting the presidency is where the bar is set. I mean, would you consider Trump to be a non-outsider if he got the nom?

I'm not super interested in a discussion about the meaning of "outsider." I think that the idea that the media would try to attack a longshot candidate after he gets some momentum because he's not backed by "corporate interests" or whatever you were saying is very silly. The media generally love it when a candidate starts rising (that's news that's interesting to people, which is what they are selling), though that brings more scrutiny. If he were favored by the majority of Democratic primary voters, he would be treated as a frontrunner rather than as a longshot candidate.

 

[SMEAC]

I much prefer or rather think its funny when Jack gets in pissing contests with the Berniebots, but he is fucking this thread up with common sense about the increased scrutiny

 

[IGIT]

What happens in the media if the D nomination is over by the end of March, with Bernie's numbers continuing to climb?

What if the trends of New Hampshire hold, and bernie is winning 81% 18-29 year olds, 73% of Independents, 55% of women, and 91% of voters that voted based on being trustworthy?

Would the media treat Bernie like a rock star, like obama, or do you think he would be treated differently for some reason?

hiya HendoRuaGOAT,

i think the media will treat Sanders just as it treated Mr. Obama...or Mr. Gore...or Mr. Clinton...or Mr. Dukakis, etc, etc.

left leaning media like The New York Times, Salon, Rolling Stone, etc, etc, will rally around him.

centrist media like ABC, NBC and CBS news will report dutifully on the candidate, hewing mostly to fluff/personality pieces.

right leaning media like The Wall Street Journal, FoxNews, RedState.com, etc, etc, will savage him.

meaning, he'd be treated no differently that Mrs. Clinton would be.

'least, that's my take on it.

- IGIT

 

[m52nickerson]

Tbf, democracy is a political construct; socialism is an economic one. And calling yourself a "Democratic Socialist" has much stronger implications of being socialist than anything else. But you're right that Bernie is far from being a pure socialist. I think most people still fall for the fallacy of equating socialism with totalitarianism.

That is very true. However Democratic Socialism is a term that describes a fairly specific system that exist in the Scandinavian states. It is a huge misnomer, because it is not close to Socialism.