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What Happens if Brock Never Contracts Diverticulitis?

He wouldn't have beaten JDS or Cain so... pretty much the same? With less helicopter action?
 
fzoid4454 said:
Fortunate that doctors are generally barred from talking about patient's private health information.

This means that people like Dana and Brock get to make up ridiculous nonsense about how insanely fucked up they were, and we're supposed to take their wild claims at face value. If Brock had "literal shit leaking into his torso" he'd be dead from sepsis in hours, not months.

So, if he didn't contract divirticulitis, he still doesn't react well to taking a punch, and his intestine has nothing to do with his chin.
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I'll never forget watching him and Carwin colliding like a couple of apes. It was great while it lasted and yeah, this was the first time we really got to see how much Brock truly hated getting hit and how poorly he reacted to it. Mind you, getting hit by Carwin in his prime and not going night night is a fairly decent accomplishment too.



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Vayn Sword said:
More than likely there would be no Brock without diverticulitis. You abuse roids your whole life somethings gotta give - in this case it's his gut.
I predict Brock will soon die from a coronary or something similiar.
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A lot of abusers mysteriously get gut issues, Brock, Gordon Ryan. It totally screws with your gut health.
 
He probably has a good career, alternating wins and losses and will be remembered as the pro wrestler that Fedor Emelianenko ducked.
 
Prolly loses a couple more fights vs junior dos santos and maybe werdum or stipe retires with a 5-5 record.
 
He gives Cain a tougher fight, but I don't think he wins that one. I don't think he beats prime JDS either. JDS had some of the best TDD, and was the best striker in the HW division at the time. Carwin had comparable strength to Lesnar and wasn't able to implement any wrestling against JDS. The interesting matchups happen when the Strikeforce roster migrates over.

Bigfoot - I think Brock can win this one. Bigfoot's size was a result of acromegaly, which doesn't seem to provide any athletic benefits of size. Cain was able to immediately take him down I don't see why Brock can't do the same and get the TKO in the first round.

Barnett - A very interesting matchup of 2 pro wrestlers. I think Brock can take this one due to his athleticism. Expect a repeat of the second Mir fight.

DC - DC wins via superior striking and negating all TD attempts.

Arlovski - Brock wins with his wrestling.

Overeem - This is Ubereem which means he'll still win, but Brock will last a bit longer since he never gets sick.

Werdum - Werdum wins. He's an submission wizard off his back and has underrated striking.
 
KO Shotz said:
Brock's matchups vs Cigano & Reem would've been very interesting if he was healthy.

Against JDS, who knows if Cigano would've been able to stop a healthy Brock from taking him down. Ya JDS had great TDD, but who knows what would've transpired vs a healthy Brock. JDS was being looked at as possibly the best HW ever back in those days, so if he was able to stuff a healthy Brock TD's & beat him then his legend would've been bigger than what it is today. Same goes for Brock tho. If he went on to dominate a guy who was being looked at during those days as the baddest HW on the planet, then Brock's legend would have bounced back.

Against Reem it gets intresting for me because if healthy, I think that matchup looks completley different. Reem obviously pieces Brock up standing no matter what, but if we are talking about a completley healthy Brock who has all his strength & hasn't been cut open, he would be taking Reem down at some point. Where it's intriguing for me is once that fight goes to the ground. Would Brock control that fight? Would Brock finish Reem? Or would Reem catch Brock with something off his back? Who knows?

Cain beats Brock no matter what imo.
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I think JDS wins that one. Carwin is comparable to Brock in terms of strength and also has a wrestling pedigree and couldn't' do anything. I also think Reem wins since it's during the Ubereem days. The fight goes on longer, but those knees are still going to be landing.
 
RE: JDS's TD defense... I think healthy Brock was such a different animal to all others, in that he could simply overpower anyone but the biggest guys and drag them to the mat, and would pose problems for Cigano. Brock had sort of the opposite of Black Beast's 'just stand up' ability... if he wanted you down, you were going down. JDS would need to wing punches and hope one puts Brock out ASAP... or somehow keep him at distance and avoid bullrush's
 
TRYHARD 2001 said:
I'll never forget watching him and Carwin colliding like a couple of apes. It was great while it lasted and yeah, this was the first time we really got to see how much Brock truly hated getting hit and how poorly he reacted to it. Mind you, getting hit by Carwin in his prime and not going night night is a fairly decent accomplishment too.



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To be fair to Brock, who does react well to getting hit by Carwin? But we'd see it in almost every fight where he was tagged by someone with power, he'd freeze.

Not as badly as Rockhold would freeze and not cover up, but that's not coming from his gut.
 
fzoid4454 said:
To be fair to Brock, who does react well to getting hit by Carwin? But we'd see it in almost every fight where he was tagged by someone with power, he'd freeze.
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Which fights did he freeze in, other than the ones where he got rocked? He pretty much kept coming forward at all times. Couture tagged him and busted him open. No issues. Mir landed a pretty good knee to the dome. No issues. Hunt caught him a few times. No issues.

It's really only the big punches that put him on queer street, which any fighter is prone to. The Cain cartwheel is funny to look at, but it only happens because Lesnar is still trying to go, while his legs aren't all there. Carwin's uppercut would've ended most fights, and I don't see a big issue with him getting super defensive after that. Most would...if they were still conscious.

I don't think a bad reaction is still trying to fight while on queer street, even if it can lead to embarrassing moments like the Cain cartwheel. I think the only real bad reaction a fighter can have to getting hit, is quitting. Lesnar always took his beatings when he got bested, and even engaged in some exchanges when he perhaps shouldn't have. Unless you're talking about sheer technique, which Lesnar was a weak in, there really anything special about how he reacted to getting hit. Like most, he looked stupid when he got knocked stupid.
 
HereticBD said:
Which fights did he freeze in, other than the ones where he got rocked? He pretty much kept coming forward at all times. Couture tagged him and busted him open. No issues. Mir landed a pretty good knee to the dome. No issues. Hunt caught him a few times. No issues.

It's really only the big punches that put him on queer street, which any fighter is prone to. The Cain cartwheel is funny to look at, but it only happens because Lesnar is still trying to go, while his legs aren't all there. Carwin's uppercut would've ended most fights, and I don't see a big issue with him getting super defensive after that. Most would...if they were still conscious.

I don't think a bad reaction is still trying to fight while on queer street, even if it can lead to embarrassing moments like the Cain cartwheel. I think the only real bad reaction a fighter can have to getting hit, is quitting. Lesnar always took his beatings when he got bested, and even engaged in some exchanges when he perhaps shouldn't have. Unless you're talking about sheer technique, which Lesnar was a weak in, there really anything special about how he reacted to getting hit. Like most, he looked stupid when he got knocked stupid.
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A lot of people get momentarily stunned, and they don't just completely freeze and turtle up. Some start throwing wild punches to try and back the other off. Others will panic-wrestle. Others will try to grab/smother the other person.

So, no, it's not "everyone freezes when hit" that we're talking about. Compared to how most trained fighters (and this is where Brock jumping in with less training may be a factor) react, Brock's reactions to getting tagged were generally worse, especially for someone with the sheer mass and neck/should musculature which helps to diffuse those impacts.
 
fzoid4454 said:
A lot of people get momentarily stunned, and they don't just completely freeze and turtle up. Some start throwing wild punches to try and back the other off. Others will panic-wrestle.
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And Lesnar did the latter against Cain. He covered up and backpedaled against Carwin. These are not unique reactions fighters have when they get rocked. What would've been better? Especially against Carwin? Stand there and get KO'd?
fzoid4454 said:
So, no, it's not "everyone freezes when hit" that we're talking about. Compared to how most trained fighters (and this is where Brock jumping in with less training may be a factor) react, Brock's reactions to getting tagged were generally worse
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Compared to who? Seasoned veteran Overeem literally turned his back and tried to run from a dude after getting rocked. GSP(arguable GOAT) tapped out, after getting rocked and spiraling out of control against Serra. There are thousands of examples of fighters looking out of sorts after a big shot. What is this mythological "appropriate" response by veteran fighters, to getting their brains scrambled, that Lesnar just didn't possess? Do I need to pull up some clips of those tough non-WWE affiliated "real fighters" looking stupid, after they got rocked? I mean, come on.

It's such a silly criticism.
 
His career would of been the same imo. He couldn’t take a punch but was an over achiever. A few years and he became HW champion is crazy
 
Bad match ups will always be bad match ups. He beat Hunt easily years past his prime because it was a good match up.
 
He would easily be considered GOAT and ends the now debate as there would be no debate.

Healthy Brock runs through any mma fighter ever - seriously no mma fighter has chance vs healthy jacked white boy Brock.
 
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