What do you think of welfare?

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On the one hand, maybe everyone should deserve a roof over their heads, medical care, and 3 square meals.

On the other hand, some people work 10-12 hours a day and have no free time. It's got to feel really shitty to work your life away only to have to pay checks to someone who works 0 hours a day and drinks all day.

What do you think?
 
Complex issue summed up: The original intent of a safety net is easily turned into a safety hammock that enables generational poverty.
 
people need to take responsibility over themselves, and live according to their means.
if you are disabled or something that's another matter, but if you just can't find a job you should receive diminishing welfare each passing month, maybe even get cut off completely after a certain period.
people will always find a way, and if not, that's on them.
I never felt someone should be responsible over me, and give me food and a roof over my head.
If you can't find a way to survive, well, maybe you should check out of the gene pool.
 
topgun420420 said:
people need to take responsibility over themselves, and live according to their means.
if you are disabled or something that's another matter, but if you just can't find a job you should receive diminishing welfare each passing month, maybe even get cut off completely after a certain period.
people will always find a way, and if not, that's on them.
I never felt someone should be responsible over me, and give me food and a roof over my head.
If you can't find a way to survive, well, maybe you should check out of the gene pool.
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What about drinking or a drug addict? Is that a medical problem too?

If it is, should someone that works 80 hours a week have to write checks to someone that works 0 hours and drinks all day?
 
superpunch said:
What about drinking or a drug addict? Is that a medical problem too?

If it is, should someone that works 80 hours a week have to write checks to someone that works 0 hours and drinks all day?
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of course it isn't, re read my last line.
 
I think they just call them bailouts nowadays not welfare; but those banks, farmers, auto industry and many others have never heard of bootstraps.
 
I think it's needed and very beneficial for those who do need. However, it appears its very difficult to get off it. Your choices are to stay in the poor condition you're in and let the government take care of you or struggle greatly while trying to make it by on mininmal wage. They really put poor people in a lose/lose situation.
 
The food subsidy part should be in the form of checks made out to a grocer for specific fundamental foodstuffs that are highly nutritional and beneficial for child development, like WIC.
 
superking said:
The food subsidy part should be in the form of checks made out to a grocer for specific fundamental foodstuffs that are highly nutritional and beneficial for child development, like WIC.
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Food delivery changed the game here. Why are we giving anyone vouchers of any sort, when we could just have the food delivered to them?
 
The government just spent something like 53 BILLION dollars to prop up a financial market over the course of two days. 48 hours. Think about that. Add in the bailouts for banks, bailouts for auto industry, corporate welfare for damn near everyone, welfare for farmers....yeah fuck it. Sign me up for UBI already, this shit is stupid.
 
I don't know what my life would be without it.

My mum was on welfare while getting treatment for cancer and looking after 3 kids by herself.

Between the 3 of us we pay about 5 times more tax each year than she received total.

There was also a time when I was 19 I got welfare for about 1.5 months. Simply couldn't find a job. Maybe I could have gotten into doing something illegal as a way to live at that time. Surely would have paid better than the kitchen hand job I got eventually.


My take is that complaints about welfare are much more about jealousy than the financial cost. I think it was about 3-4% of my total income tax. I think lobbying costs me way more.
 
superking said:
The food subsidy part should be in the form of checks made out to a grocer for specific fundamental foodstuffs that are highly nutritional and beneficial for child development, like WIC.
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Reeks of socialism.

Anyway food isn't a huge part of 1st world living costs.
 
In principle it is a good idea but it gets abused far too easily and frequently. There should be stringent guidelines in place to qualify and to continue receiving assistance. Candidates should have to continuously demonstrate that they are trying to improve their own situation. Substance abusers should be immediately disqualified permanently , whether they're some chronic alcoholic or dopehead single mom shitting out a kids left and right.

Welfare should be a helping hand to those struggling through life not a safety net to people who are unwilling to put in the effort to help themselves.
 
I'm Not A Nugget said:
I think it's needed and very beneficial for those who do need. However, it appears its very difficult to get off it. Your choices are to stay in the poor condition you're in and let the government take care of you or struggle greatly while trying to make it by on mininmal wage. They really put poor people in a lose/lose situation.
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I do think the high effective marginal tax rates for welfare recipients who start with casual work are certainly an issue. People losing 70% of their income is hardly motivational when the results are small anyway.
 
Stoic1 said:
Complex issue summed up: The original intent of a safety net is easily turned into a safety hammock that enables generational poverty.
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Indeed. Look at blacks. They had a fatherlessness rate of around 20% in the 60s now it's ninety percent iirc. Safety nets are good, but one must be careful, otherwise you incentize bad and destructive behavior
 
HeffDoesWant said:
I do think the high effective marginal tax rates for welfare recipients who start with casual work are certainly an issue. People losing 70% of their income is hardly motivational when the results are small anyway.
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I don't know too much about this subject but from what I do know it's close to impossible to get off welfare when trying to find work. You would think it would be beneficial for the government to help it's citizens transition better but it appears to be the complete opposite.

It all comes down to money and greed. My guess is the goverment makes money when it keeps people on welfare.
 
My parents were on it for a year or so, after falling on hard times when I was young. I think they're good for short term assistance, but shouldn't be a way of life.
 
Personal responsibility is something the liberal mind can’t comprehend.


If you’re of sound mind and body, the only thing your getting from me is bootstraps.
 
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