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Notice how a lot of WC and kung fu ppl dont do weight training and so they get over powered by a half desent boxer or MT guy because they do strength training.
With all due respect, I don't think that's true at all. To be honest it sounds like a sales pitch for a martial art that has little real world application.
A top Wing Chun practitioner would be absolutely annihilated by a top Muay Thai fighter or a top boxer for that matter. In this day and age, if there was any real evidence to the contrary, there would be lots of readily available footage for all to see.
The common thread between the videos you posted is that the "fighters" for the most part stand flat footed in front of each other, which is highly unrealistic. Could it be effective in self-defence against an untrained person? Perhaps but I can't see the value in it unless one's interest in largely/purely learning a martial art for its own sake. As a combat system it gets very low marks relative to other options available.
This is still such a common common mistake. A whole lot stuff never gets video coverage. You got think that less than 1% of the total population even has an interest in practicing a martial art. There are hundreds of arts out there that have no video footage available on the ol'e youtube for them.
Um, last time I checked a UFC fight the fighters stood in front of each other, some flat footed, some doing the bounce thing, hell one of them just sort stood there with his hands up, I mean how you gone to fight some body if your not standing in front of them? they certainly are not going to just let you walk around them.
Just a bit tired of them same bad arguments getting dragged out. Are there good arguments against WC? Sure, first one is that a lot of the art has gotten lost do to bad training, and getting made more peaceful after the Red Boat era. Another is that it has developed in to a specialized striking art that is very hard to get in the right range to use.
In this day and age, if a fighting system was effective against other fighting systems, then yes there would be ample evidence on Youtube, etc... Everyone has a video camera these days, and the net is full of those "this martial art vs. that one" type videos.
I'm not sure if you train or spar at all, but your 2nd paragraph makes no sense at all. Lateral movement and circling are fundamental to Muay Thai and Boxing to name two examples. Not quite the same as standing flat footed squarely in front of your opponent.
In any case, people train for different reasons, and if WC floats someone's boat then that's great. But hopefully they are not under the illusion that it equips them to deal with a combat situation vs. someone comparably trained in a more effective martial art.
In this day and age, if a fighting system was effective against other fighting systems, then yes there would be ample evidence on Youtube, etc... Everyone has a video camera these days, and the net is full of those "this martial art vs. that one" type videos.
I'm not sure if you train or spar at all, but your 2nd paragraph makes no sense at all. Lateral movement and circling are fundamental to Muay Thai and Boxing to name two examples. Not quite the same as standing flat footed squarely in front of your opponent.
In any case, people train for different reasons, and if WC floats someone's boat then that's great. But hopefully they are not under the illusion that it equips them to deal with a combat situation vs. someone comparably trained in a more effective martial art.
I think they are refering to the video earlier with the k-1 wing chun fighterOf course there are kicks, generally a front heel kick, frontal side kick, a side kick, there are round kicks, turning kicks and the like.
There are three seeds of wing chun kicking whereby just about any kick is valid so long as it's done in an efficient manner.
Btw, which guy are you referring to that was horrible?
Wing Chun is pretty cool.
But long story short - it works better in the movies.
In all the gyms (boxing, MT, BJJ, TKD, Kung-fu, JKD, and a few others) that I have trained in, there are never any videos. No rule against them just nobody ever bothers with it. So really expecting every art out there to have video camera's filming what they do is unreasonable.
If you watch alot of those videos on the net, they are often the same video retitled to make somebodys point.
Modified WC (what most of the WC videos are) happens to be a fighting system based on staying in just about a toe to toe position, which means you are not going to circle around the guy unless he tries to circle you. Same with an in-fighter in boxing, they are not really interested in circling or taking the outside, they want to hold the inside pocket close to the body, so they only move around a lot when the other guy tries to get them out of the pocket.
Lateral movement and circling are part of WC also. They just use it differently. This is a case of not seeing what you expect to rather than them not doing any. All the circling and lateral movement in boxing and MT is used to get you in the position you want to be in. If you are already there, you stop moving because you don't have to.
Of course there are kicks, generally a front heel kick, frontal side kick, a side kick, there are round kicks, turning kicks and the like.
There are three seeds of wing chun kicking whereby just about any kick is valid so long as it's done in an efficient manner.
Btw, which guy are you referring to that was horrible?
YouTube - WING CHUN FAIL at M-1 Global Tryouts; Thiago Silva wants Rematches: MMA Confidential
that guy in the vid from the beginning of the thread
Correction: YOUR wing chun falls apart against a decent boxer; and no one has mentioned the movie that I've seen in this thread except you.
Yeah I used to say things like that when I was a Wing Chun nutthugger too.
He's out there alright. I give him props for trying to make a name for the chunners, but right now he's not doing a great job of it.
The only difference is that I continue to use it in sparring successfully where you did not.
Yet he is the most successful chunner in competition.
That's debatable. There's the Orr's chu sao lei guys and Hoffman's guys overseas. That last vid of his proves that much.
Did your sparring partners spent roughly the same time practicing boxing, kickboxing etc. as you did WC? Any videos of your sparring?
Not to mention I don't have a video camera anymore.