What Distinguishes Ronda From Joanna?

[Yabuki]

One is a champion about to lose her belt the other is not a champion anymore and dates travis browne so she probably doesn't know what the fuck she is doing with her life.

 

[P4psilva]

One is a champion and one looks like this ^

lmfao rousey is ugly af

 

[Slapchoppin]

i get lost in Joanna's eyes every time she talks so theres that

 

[Death By Samson]

Competent striking?

 

[Thepaintbucket]

You either have the best memory on Sherdog or your stalk game is high level. I am impressed by either.

Well, when you been here long enough you tend to remember posters. I am glad you don't deny it, it makes the process a lot easier on here.

But in all honesty, from what I have seen in the past, you seem extremely defensive about any negative posts towards Ronda, maybe even borderline neurotic. I could always be wrong tho.

 

[DaGenius]

Ronda is hated here

Joanna is liked here

Ronda is a star

Joanna is not

 

[Coolidge]

One doesn't have dumb ass haters that can't read context correctly shamelessly making up shit about abusing boyfriends to fit their narrative because they don't understand what your rights are when you're trying to escape a situation and someone physically won't let you leave. The other does.

Escape?

"Ronda Rousey wrote in "My Fight, Your Fight" that she slapped her boyfriend across the face "so hard my hand hurt," "punched him in the face with a straight right, then a left hook," and then "grabbed him by the neck of his hoodie, kneed him in the face" and threw him onto the kitchen floor."

Flip flop the genders or substitute her for someone you're not a fanboy of and you'd be okay with this behavior? A lot of men and people in general are in jail for 'escaping'.

 

[SnitchInsider]

Well, when you been here long enough you tend to remember posters. I am glad you don't deny it, it makes the process a lot easier on here.

But in all honesty, from what I have seen in the past, you seem extremely defensive about any negative posts towards Ronda, maybe even borderline neurotic. I could always be wrong tho.

I'd consider myself a Ronda "fan." I've been following her career -- among others -- since her amateur days. But I also can't stand the ridiculous things Sherdoggers complain about. It tends to be the case people complain about Rousey the most, so I mostly chime in on those threads. Lately it's been Conor. When it becomes Joanna, I'll be talking about Joanna more.

This site cannot separate what's real from entertainment sometimes, or fact from fiction, or can't be bothered to read or view the source material they are ranting about, and the endless whining drives me insane.

 

[Death By Samson]

Escape?

"Ronda Rousey wrote in "My Fight, Your Fight" that she slapped her boyfriend across the face "so hard my hand hurt," "punched him in the face with a straight right, then a left hook," and then "grabbed him by the neck of his hoodie, kneed him in the face" and threw him onto the kitchen floor."

Flip flop the genders or substitute her for someone you're not a fanboy of and you'd be okay with this behavior?

Ronda's striking is pretty laughable. I'm sure this guy was fine. Cue the Ronda shadowboxing gif.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Do either of them train at Jacksons? If not who cares? Unless its Jones related, everything else is not relevant.

 

[SnitchInsider]

Escape?

"Ronda Rousey wrote in "My Fight, Your Fight" that she slapped her boyfriend across the face "so hard my hand hurt," "punched him in the face with a straight right, then a left hook," and then "grabbed him by the neck of his hoodie, kneed him in the face" and threw him onto the kitchen floor."

Flip flop the genders or substitute her for someone you're not a fanboy of and you'd be okay with this behavior?

And here... we... go. Right on time. First, full disclosure: I've been falsely accused -- and cleared -- of domestic violence before, that's why this topic is particularly annoying to me when people throw around claims that someone is an abuser. False accusations impact people's lives. It's not fun.

1. Rousey did, indeed, slap her boyfriend, as she wrote in her book. She found out he was taking nude pictures of her behind her back without her permission. She was angry. She lost control of her emotions when she confronted him. She slapped him. She should not have slapped him. There are, however, very clearly some mitigating circumstances at play here that anyone can understand, and to call someone an "abuser" because of this demeans the power of that word. She shouldn't have done it, but trying to shoe-horn her into a crowd of domestic abusers because of it is much more dangerous and careless than what she actually did. The guy was taking naked photos of her without her knowing, she slapped him. She shouldn't have slapped him. That's the extent of it.

2. In her book, if you read it -- and I'm assuming you've only read excerpts -- it was very, very clearly written that she was trying to leave the confrontation with her boyfriend. He wouldn't let her leave because he wanted to apologize and explain his actions. He physically blocked her exit and would not let her leave. She has every right to use whatever force is necessary and within reason to secure her escape if she's being falsely imprisoned by someone, especially when you just found out that someone arguably committed a sex crime against you. He wouldn't let her leave, she tried to push him out of the way, he still wouldn't. She hit him to try and get him out of the way, he still refused to let her leave. This repeats two or three times with him refusing to let her leave. When she finally got outside, the guy jumped in the passenger seat, grabbed her steering wheel, and flat-out told her she wasn't going anywhere. She got out of the car, went to the passenger side, slung him out of the car by his hoodie. Then got back in her driver's seat and drove away.

That's what happened. Calling that domestic abuse is to know absolutely nothing about your rights as a citizen if someone is trying to falsely imprison you. You have the right to use *reasonable* force to get away. Clearly, her use of force was more than reasonable because she was only barely able to leave -- he was so persistent he even jumped in her car. Any experienced arbitrator is going to arrest him, if anyone, for that altercation because she was the one trying to leave the situation, he was the one refusing to allow her to do so.

3. Do things appear different if the gender roles are reversed? Yeah, they do, but only because genders come with them physical traits we attribute. With power comes responsibility. Ronda's actions, for example, would be excessive if the person blocking her way and refusing to let her leave was an 80 year old man that she could just walk through. The force necessary to get away from him is not the same as the force necessary to get away from someone that is bigger, and stronger than you. But to the heart of the point, if the gender roles were reversed and the size disparities remained the same, then yes many would view it differently but no they shouldn't. If there is a problem with treating both genders fairly in violence cases with the law, then the answer is to treat them fairly, not to treat both unfairly.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

I'd consider myself a Ronda "fan." I've been following her career -- among others -- since her amateur days. But I also can't stand the ridiculous things Sherdoggers complain about. It tends to be the case people complain about Rousey the most, so I mostly chime in on those threads. Lately it's been Conor. When it becomes Joanna, I'll be talking about Joanna more.

This site cannot separate what's real from entertainment sometimes, or fact from fiction, or can't be bothered to read or view the source material they are ranting about, and the endless whining drives me insane.

This is a good explanation and a fair reason for defending her. I agree a lot Sherdoggers tend to troll, complain and make ridiculous posts to disrespect a fighter and I am not immune to it and I might even do the same, at times.

I would just like to retract my post and apologize to you for my rash decision to call you out. I hope you will accept my apology.

Thanks.

 

[Coolidge]

1. Rousey did, indeed, slap her boyfriend, as she wrote in her book. She found out he was taking nude pictures of her behind her back without her permission. She was angry. She slapped him. She should not have slapped him. There are, however, very clearly some mitigating circumstances at play here that anyone can understand, and to call someone an "abuser" because of this demeans the power of that word. She shouldn't have done it, but trying to shoe-horn her into a crowd of domestic abusers because of it is much more dangerous and careless than what she actually did.

I don't need to read any further. You've already admitted to the base premise. Donald Trump's campaign manager was charged with battery because he grabbed a woman's arm and left bruises. Initiating the violence and slapping someone (which is just the tip of what followed) is most definitely illegal and constitutes domestic violence.

 

[chiefwiggum]

Womanly woman parts¿?

 

[TheCryingElite]

Ronda's hate threads are obvious. This one is attempting to be subtle. Do you guys have a quota for how many Joanna hate threads you post a week?

It's not even subtle. The TS says he doesn't like Ronda in the OP. At least he's/she's trying to figure out why.

 

[Towney007]

One is a legitimately incredible fighter.

The other is a marketing campaign.

People generally know the scent of sh!t, so that's probably it.

 

[SnitchInsider]

I don't need to read any further. You've already admitted to the base premise. Donald Trump's campaign manager was charged with battery because he grabbed a woman's arm and left bruises. Initiating the violence and slapping someone (which is just the tip of what followed) is most definitely illegal and constitutes domestic violence.

Right, once again, you can use these words to describe people if you want. But all you are doing is demeaning their value. You want to lump the stigma attached to a word to a person that's profile doesn't fit that stigma. It's the difference between statutory rape and rape. You can call both rape if you want, but you're just demeaning the value of the words you're using. And by the way, no, as a matter of fact striking first does not actually always make you the guilty party; inciting the action to begin with, even with non-violence, can take priority. Also, there were certainly mitigating circumstances here, but we can live in your world and pretend there aren't for the sake of argument.

By your measure of excellence, anyone who has ever gotten into a fight with a sibling is an abuser.

You people clearly don't care about what's real, you just want a bow to tie on an agenda. That's all there is to it.

 

[Coolidge]

Right, once again, you can use these words to describe people if you want. But all you are doing is demeaning their value. You want to attach a stigma attached to a word to a person that's profile doesn't fit that stigma. It's the difference between statutory rape and rape. You can call both rape if you want, but you're just demeaning the value of the words you're using. There's also the matter of mitigating circumstances, but we can put that aside for sake of argument.

By your measure of excellence, anyone who has ever laid a finger on a sibling is an abuser.

You people clearly don't care about what's real, you just want a bow to tie on an agenda. That's all there is to it.

I was curious, so I decided to read further. What you posted before sounds like a very one-sided narrative. Her reaction to what she describes happened doesn't sound reasonable to me either way. In any event, she acknowledges she committed a crime and she admits to initiating the physical violence. You dispute the 'domestic abuse' charge simply because it carries a lot of weight in society, but it's still very much accurate. The sibling comparison really isn't fair at all. As adolescents, it's quite common for us to get into physical spats with our siblings. The law typically doesn't get involved because we're just kids and these things usually don't elevate to anything more serious. One mate hitting the other leads to bigger trouble more often than not. She could've seriously injured him or vice-versa. Plus, she's a grown woman and presumably doesn't still have the mentality of a child.

 

[SnitchInsider]

I was curious, so I decided to read further. What you posted before sounds like a very one-sided narrative. Her reaction to what she describes happened doesn't sound reasonable to me either way. In any event, she acknowledges she committed a crime and she admits to initiating the physical violence. You dispute the 'domestic abuse' charge simply because it carries a lot of weight in society, but it's still very much accurate. The sibling comparison really isn't fair at all. As adolescents, it's quite common for us to get into physical spats with our siblings. The law typically doesn't get involved because we're just kids and these things usually don't elevate to anything more serious. One mate hitting the other can lead to all kinds of trouble. She could've seriously injured him or vice-versa.

I dispute the charge of domestic abuse for the slap because it's not necessarily domestic abuse to begin with. Not all actions are equal and courts do not treat them all equal. Disorderly conduct? A minor offense? Absolutely. But I would be shocked and amazed if courts ever tried someone for domestic abuse for slapping a boyfriend, once, in a heated argument after they found out he was taking naked pictures of them without their permission. This is what I mean about people not understanding the law, like, at all. Now, if you want to call that domestic abuse, go ahead, she wasn't convicted of anything so this is all speculation, but I think that's a massive over-step for what is at worst a minor with mitigating circumstances.

 

[Coolidge]

I dispute the charge of domestic abuse for the slap because it's not necessarily domestic abuse to begin with. Not all actions are equal and courts do not treat them all equal. Disorderly conduct? Absolutely. But I would be shocked and amazed if courts ever tried someone for domestic abuse for slapping a boyfriend, once, in a heated argument after that they found out he was taking naked pictures of them without their permission. This is what I mean about people not understanding the law, like, at all. Now, if you want to call that domestic abuse, go ahead, she wasn't convicted of anything so this is all speculation, but I think that's a massive over-step for what is at worst disorderly conduct with mitigating circumstances.

Calling that disorderly conduct doesn't even sound logical. Simple assault, battery, perhaps. Judging by her knee-jerk physical reaction to her boyfriend and Holly Holm, I wouldn't at all be surprised if this was something that happened routinely in the home. But I can't say for sure, obviously.