Crime What did the cops do wrong today Megathread Vol. 6 ? (who knows, lots of cop threads)

[nhbbear]

The ignorance of these cops is frightening. the female officer says in the deposition that she doesn't even know what is necessary to detain someone. The LIEUTENANT says he has no idea if it is illegal to refuse to id if you have done nothing wrong. they arrest her for talking pictures, illegally go through her stuff, etc. People need to stop blindly supporting cops. They may not all be corrupt like these two, but they all stand by and let it happen. just like @nhbbear probably thinks these are good cops and the citizen had it coming


They have been cops for 20 and 27 years respectively. i have never been a cop and i know more about the law than both of them combined

And it appears neither faced any consequences for what they did

Ok, twat

 

[nhbbear]

Is squirrels slang for prostitutes or meth heads? I know lot lizards are truck stop prostitutes so I am guessing squirrels are sluts of some form.

Squirrels are people acting strangely. Whether from drugs or mental illness, you just know something is off about them.

 

[Via Heeto]

Ok, twat

exactly. no denial because somehow to you, that was good police work

 

[WklySportsMemes]

What? There's no set standard for quelling suspicion. Cops dont have the right to endlessly suspect a person of doing something illegal beyond them getting a reasonable explanation for what they are seeing. If his behavior isnt suspicious, and his explanation isnt suspicious, and others corroborate his story, that absolutely quells suspicion. There are even dozens of videos like this where a black person is doing something innocuous and attempts to explain it to suspecting Cops, then a white person corroborates it and the Cops leave, this is a source of contention among people.who raise concerns of implicit biases when a Cop takes the word of a white neighbor and not the black person they're talking to.

I don't think you understand the full scope of the 5th Amendment. Its not merely "pleading the 5th" like you see on TV. No one can compel you to incriminate yourself, especially Cops. It's a protection against tyrannical behavior. Cops are not legally allowed to be 100% convinced you're guilty, and force you to prove your innocense to them.

All they needed to do to prove the owner was the owner was accept the vouching of the family and neighbors. Like I said, to disbelieve that is to be conspiracy-brained as it was a large group of people ardently communicating to the Cops that they were accosting the owner of the vehicle, and they beat him up anyway. You know he could have locked his wallet and the ownership documents in the truck at the same time right? Happens to people all the time. He might not have even had an ID on him, so Cops ask for a name and date of birth...what if he knew the owner's name and date of birth? You can be reasonably suspicious, and unreasonably suspicious. Reasonable ends when you have a reasonable explanation, unreasonable continues beyond a reasonable explanation.

Oh I absolutely wouldnt have ID'd myself. I'm not in the business of sacrificing my rights because a Cop decides I'm guilty before they speak to me, or wants me to help them investigate myself. If you dont use your rights, you lose them. If I'm not doing anything illegal, and a Cop asks me if I'm doing anything illegal and I explain to them what I'm doing...them deciding that explanation isnt good enough is not my problem. Cops are just used to citizens not knowing any better.

I understand the law just fine...
It was not satisfied, per your own "there is no standard for quelling suspicion. "
Its not based on the honor system.
There is no legal loophole that allows the cops to go away if you are seen breaking into something (even if its yours). Its pretty reasonable to not take the person looking out by the truck as satisfying the suspicion.
A construction worker working on or doing demolition to a building is not suspicious. A plain clothes person with a brick is. A guy working on his car or doing something to his car isn't suspicious. Using a tools to break into a car parked on the street is suspicious in ANY neighbor.
Again what other investigation tools were you referring to??? Ok cool totally agree he doesn't have to say anything. What other tools were there to determine?

I'm not denying that 100% some officers suspicions would be satisfied if that was a white neighbor. But its unfair for me to just toss out the race card without seeing more of the cops conduct.
Because there are 100% some officers who would try to ID a white guy for the same thing.

You're a buisness owner right?

 

[Poon Goon]

Squirrels are people acting strangely. Whether from drugs or mental illness, you just know something is off about them.

Sorry, but I did some research and it's pretty obvious that you are wrong. Below are the lyrics from a popular country song were the artist is clearly using squirrel to describe a slut.

Took a break, headed outside
Pass the joint, girls got high
My squirrel, blaze in her eyes
So I knew that it wouldn't be long
Making out, got a big bone
Feeling good, gonna get blown
Then the band started playing George Jones
So we went back in to hear the song

Beer, weed, cooches
And honky tonk music
All night long
Stoned, drunk, fucked up
I'm gettin' my dick sucked
All night long

 

[nhbbear]

That's a severely alarming & disturbing story. Sorry that happened to you, but I'm sure it help shape you into who you are today.

As a society we have to ask ourselves how does a legit sick fk like that last decades on a force that's supposed to be about truth , justice ,& protecting all citizens...... A legit child abusing monster. Threatening to shoot & strong arm rob a child. Then making them steal from their parents. Hell that would even probably be considered armed robbery. Lol wtf.
Now thats a THUG.

This is exactly why I do get "triggered" with all the training & innate ability talk. Because I bet if you talked to that old POS cop, he would believe that he's some type of human lie detector. Or that he knew all the tells & had a legendary nose for crime. Then on top of that there will be a large amount of people who irrefutably believe his self assessment. Simply because he has a badge & a sick ego. That's why I classify it as dangerous rhetoric.

-Shouldn't all of these trained people with special skills be able to sniff out a criminal like that after decades???? Or even worse they know, but still enable & support It. Either way, like you say, giant credibility loss.

Here is another heavy point. Now I'm not saying I would have done more or that what you did that night wasn't commendable. However, some would have taken it a step further and wanted to get bad cops who can't do their job off the street.
Did you report them? ? ? Again I'm not saying you were wrong or that it 100% should have been done.
However, if you didn't report them....its probably for many of the same exact reasons why people in certain communities aren't going to snitch and tell on their own group too. Even if they are dead wrong. I bet the parallel reasonings would be scary similar. Just wanted to draw that parallel.

Did I report him? No, it happened like ten years before that. I didn’t even know he was still a cop when I joined the department. That was actually the first time I had seen him since that incident. My mom knew the police chief in my little village and I can’t remember if she spoke to him or not, or what the outcome was.
And obviously, that cop was a shithead bad cop and I don’t know anything about him other than his name. And there are bad cops with shit instincts that simply force issues because they think the can. But I think we can both agree that crimes are committed by people, let’s call them criminals, and those criminals have certain patterns of behaviors, methods (modus operandi), motivations, and locations that they commit their crimes as well as the certain people they associate with and target. How is it so hard for you to grasp that during a career of law enforcement, cops will pick up on these things, learn from experience and from the experiences of others through training, to locate the areas with the most crime and the people most likely to be committing these crimes?

 

[nhbbear]

exactly. no denial because somehow to you, that was good police work

I didn’t even watch the video. There’s no need or desire on my part. It’s pathetic if cops can’t cite why, when, and how you can detain someone, but you tagged me because you want to lash out at a cop and I am the nearest and safest option because I don’t think you have the testicular fortitude to do it in real life

 

[nhbbear]

Sorry, but I did some research and it's pretty obvious that you are wrong. Below are the lyrics from a popular country song were the artist is clearly using squirrel to describe a slut.

Took a break, headed outside
Pass the joint, girls got high
My squirrel, blaze in her eyes
So I knew that it wouldn't be long
Making out, got a big bone
Feeling good, gonna get blown
Then the band started playing George Jones
So we went back in to hear the song

Beer, weed, cooches
And honky tonk music
All night long
Stoned, drunk, fucked up
I'm gettin' my dick sucked
All night long

Well, each group has their own vernacular, and to me, squirrels are definitely not some girl looking for some nuts.

 

[Sinister]

I understand the law just fine...
It was not satisfied, per your own "there is no standard for quelling suspicion. "
Its not based on the honor system.
There is no legal loophole that allows the cops to go away if you are seen breaking into something (even if its yours). Its pretty reasonable to not take the person looking out by the truck as satisfying the suspicion.
A construction worker working on or doing demolition to a building is not suspicious. A plain clothes person with a brick is. A guy working on his car or doing something to his car isn't suspicious. Using a tools to break into a car parked on the street is suspicious in ANY neighbor.
Again what other investigation tools were you referring to??? Ok cool totally agree he doesn't have to say anything. What other tools were there to determine?

I'm not denying that 100% some officers suspicions would be satisfied if that was a white neighbor. But its unfair for me to just toss out the race card without seeing more of the cops conduct.
Because there are 100% some officers who would try to ID a white guy for the same thing.

You're a buisness owner right?

I literally posted a video of some mechanics working on a car who get arrested for not identifying. You're not legally obligated to prove your innocence to the police, nor are you obligated to assist them in investigating yourself, and as per the 4th Amendment they cannot detain you indefinitely until they have found a crime they think you committed. There is some magical thing that makes them go away, it's called the Constitution.

 

[Via Heeto]

I didn’t even watch the video. There’s no need or desire on my part. It’s pathetic if cops can’t cite why, when, and how you can detain someone, but you tagged me because you want to lash out at a cop and I am the nearest and safest option because I don’t think you have the testicular fortitude to do it in real life

Of course you won't watch it because then it is impossible to defend. And how did i lash out at you? I simply said you would defend it because you always do. you are the one who started with the name calling. And slow down there keyboard warrior. aren't you retired? you can no longer go around beating people with no fear of repercussions because you are a cop

 

[WklySportsMemes]

How is it so hard for you to grasp that during a career of law enforcement, cops will pick up on these things, learn from experience and from the experiences of others through training, to locate the areas with the most crime and the people most likely to be committing these crimes?

Because there are so many examples of them being wrong & unapologetic for it too. That doesn't yield to honing specialized skills. That yields to reinforcing bad habits.
I also value rights & not having to be bothered more than a random subjective skill set such as a hunch.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I literally posted a video of some mechanics working on a car who get arrested for not identifying. You're not legally obligated to prove your innocence to the police, nor are you obligated to assist them in investigating yourself, and as per the 4th Amendment they cannot detain you indefinitely until they have found a crime they think you committed. There is some magical thing that makes them go away, it's called the Constitution.

Its an entirely different incident. Cops stopping, profiling, & harassing people who aren't suspicious is not the last incident posted.
I'm not a fan of lumping everything together.
The cops shouldn't even stop and bother people working on a car in broad daylight.
However, these catalytic cconverter thieves are just going to give bad cops the notion to even infringe on that.

Oh yes the Constitution. The document that legal scholars more credible than both you & I argue over. The document that sparks dissenting opinions from the countries most accomplished and top judicarieis.

If you track this story let us know the outcome. I'm guessing it won't be close to the windfall lawsuit you're projecting it to be.

 

[Sinister]

Its an entirely different incident. Cops stopping, profiling, & harassing people who aren't suspicious is not the last incident posted.
I'm not a fan of lumping everything together.
The cops shouldn't even stop and bother people working on a car in broad daylight.
However, these catalytic cconverter thieves are just going to give bad cops the notion to even infringe on that.

Oh yes the Constitution. The document that legal scholars more credible than both you & I argue over. The document that sparks dissenting opinions from the counties most accomplished and top judicarieis.

If you track this story let us know the outcome. I'm guessing it won't be close to the windfall lawsuit you're projecting it to be.

Lol, I like disagreeing with you every now and again because you put just enough spite into your posts to make it funny.

The Cops in that mechanic video thought they were boosting the car, likely because the mechanics weren't in uniforms. But that's not the issue that lumps these things together here. The thing that lumps them together is that Cops are addicted to identifying everyone and anyone. There are countless videos that show them not taking "no" for an answer, even when their suspicion and when their 4th Amendment "unlawful detainment" timeline is exhausted. You cant be held merely until they are satisfied, they have to get to the point, if they have one...and substantiate their own suspicion. In order for suspicion to be reasonable Cops need a circumstance that warrants suspicion, often times they use the old "you're in a bad part of town" or the "it's late at night." There wasnt any of that here.

In this case the guy getting into his own truck very quickly answered the Cops without any suspicious behavior, and again, his story was corroborated. There was very little need to even hang around further. At best all they needed to do was either offer assistance, or just supervise the entry and see what happens after, or take down the license plate of the truck to make sure they can track it in the event that they were successfully deceived by basically that entire street of residents. Instead they beat his ass.

As for the outcome, I dont know what's going to happen, our legal system costs hella money and these people cant always sue effectively. But I think these Cops would get shredded in Court. But you can rest assured I wouldn't have identified, and I definitely would teach my kids that they dont need to give ID if they havent committed a crime unless they're in a stop and ID State, and they have the right to inquire as to why.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Lol, I like disagreeing with you every now and again because you put just enough spite into your posts to make it funny.

The Cops in that mechanic video thought they were boosting the car, likely because the mechanics weren't in uniforms. But that's not the issue that lumps these things together here. The thing that lumps them together is that Cops are addicted to identifying everyone and anyone. There are countless videos that show them not taking "no" for an answer, even when their suspicion and when their 4th Amendment "unlawful detainment" timeline is exhausted. You cant be held merely until they are satisfied, they have to get to the point, if they have one...and substantiate their own suspicion. In order for suspicion to be reasonable Cops need a circumstance that warrants suspicion, often times they use the old "you're in a bad part of town" or the "it's late at night." There wasnt any of that here.

In this case the guy getting into his own truck very quickly answered the Cops without any suspicious behavior, and again, his story was corroborated. There was very little need to even hang around further. At best all they needed to do was either offer assistance, or just supervise the entry and see what happens after, or take down the license plate of the truck to make sure they can track it in the event that they were successfully deceived by basically that entire street of residents. Instead they beat his ass.

As for the outcome, I dont know what's going to happen, our legal system costs hella money and these people cant always sue effectively. But I think these Cops would get shredded in Court. But you can rest assured I wouldn't have identified, and I definitely would teach my kids that they dont need to give ID if they havent committed a crime unless they're in a stop and ID State, and they have the right to inquire as to why.

Spite? Why would I have spite? Who are you to spite? Not even close. Its a normal conversation. Where the hell is spite coming from?

You mentioned them using other investigation tools. I asked a few times. Kind of thought you were dodging that question a bit, but that's not spiteful dude.
I see now you clarified what would have been a better solution or a better investigation in your eyes. Yeah I don't think those options are great policing either. I personally consider a cop watching/stalking me more of harassment than having a conversation then going away.

See this is where the argument kind of turns into
one similar to that of a bad cop supporter. Just you even describing the incident like that. It wasn't illegal but he was breaking into his car. Why not call it that? Framing and nuance matters.

I have called out countless instances of cops ID'ing people due to power trips. I agree its a problem. I'm often the first here to say they have no reason to ask for ID if no REAL suspected crime.

If he has a clear cut case where he could shred them in court a lawyer would take the case on contingency...

I'm teaching my family that they have rights. However, they also have a civic duty. People want to keep their property and possessions safe. If you are doing something that is normal everyday use case scenario stand up for your rights (within reason). If you know you are doing something that looks sus & don't have any warrants comply within reason if the cop is not aggressive. If they don't go away after that invoke your 5th & trust that we have a good lawyer.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Stumbled on this one....A Police Chief & Veteran. WTF.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tiktok-famous-police-chief-swapped-214912729.html

 

[Sinister]

Spite? Why would I have spite? Who are you to spite? Not even close. Its a normal conversation. Where the hell is spite coming from?

You mentioned them using other investigation tools. I asked a few times. Kind of thought you were dodging that question a bit, but that's not spiteful dude.
I see now you clarified what would have been a better solution or a better investigation in your eyes. Yeah I don't think those options are great policing either. I personally consider a cop watching/stalking me more of harassment than having a conversation then going away.

See this is where the argument kind of turns into
one similar to that of a bad cop supporter. Just you even describing the incident like that. It wasn't illegal but he was breaking into his car. Why not call it that? Framing and nuance matters.

I have called out countless instances of cops ID'ing people due to power trips. I agree its a problem. I'm often the first here to say they have no reason to ask for ID if no REAL suspected crime.

If he has a clear cut case where he could shred them in court a lawyer would take the case on contingency...

I'm teaching my family that they have rights. However, they also have a civic duty. People want to keep their property and possessions safe. If you are doing something that is normal everyday use case scenario stand up for your rights (within reason). If you know you are doing something that looks sus & don't have any warrants comply within reason if the cop is not aggressive. If they don't go away after that invoke your 5th & trust that we have a good lawyer.

I don't see much of a need to frame it as "breaking into his car" because I don't think what you do with your own property has an inherently negative connotation to it, one which Cops could use to be persistent in UNreasonable suspicion. Breaking into his car, breaking into his house because he lost his keys, going back to retrieve a wallet HE dropped on the ground, or let's say...working in his own store after hours:



They were harassing him, suggesting he needed to prove he is innocent, and then suggesting he should be thankful for it. And I'm talking specifically about this concept that Police feel they can go beyond their actual abilities to obtain identification, there's a good reason there are not only Constiturinal protections against this, but relevant case law further defining it and backing up the notion that Police CANNOT force you to identify or incriminate yourself, nor can they perpetually extend an interaction to try to ascertain your guilt.

I think what I outlined is perfectly fine police work if you dont look at justice as something that needs to be won, or if you arent entirely sympathetic to the idea that a Cop NEEDS to feel like they're about to be a hero every time they see a citizen doing something abnormal. Again that lends to much to the notion that Cops arent there to help, they're there to punish. There was NO need to punish this man for having to enter his own vehicle in an unconventional manner, especially considering he didnt owe them any further information than what was provided. He explained what was going on, he offered corroboration, and he didn't object to their presence. He just told them he wasn't going to identify himself, and they kicked his ass for it. I'm sorry but that's far worse policing than what I listed.

Moving into a "prove you're supposed to be here" or "prove to me you're NOT committing a crime right now" territory is dangerous. Suggesting Cops proceed as if every citizen is tentatively lying to them enhances that danger. IMO Police should make informed decisions looking at the totality of the situation, rather than this...which is reacting based on feels. Or at best, poor logic. Like this scenario:



Again, arrested for not ID'ing when not committing a crime. This is nothing more than the old "we came here, so someone is getting punished."



She was aware she doesnt owe them to prove her own innocense, even in the face of threats of destruction of her property.

 

[Andy Capp]

I don't see much of a need to frame it as "breaking into his car" because I don't think what you do with your own property has an inherently negative connotation to it, one which Cops could use to be persistent in UNreasonable suspicion. Breaking into his car, breaking into his house because he lost his keys, going back to retrieve a wallet HE dropped on the ground, or let's say...working in his own store after hours:



They were harassing him, suggesting he needed to prove he is innocent, and then suggesting he should be thankful for it. And I'm talking specifically about this concept that Police feel they can go beyond their actual abilities to obtain identification, there's a good reason there are not only Constiturinal protections against this, but relevant case law further defining it and backing up the notion that Police CANNOT force you to identify or incriminate yourself, nor can they perpetually extend an interaction to try to ascertain your guilt.

I think what I outlined is perfectly fine police work if you dont look at justice as something that needs to be won, or if you arent entirely sympathetic to the idea that a Cop NEEDS to feel like they're about to be a hero every time they see a citizen doing something abnormal. Again that lends to much to the notion that Cops arent there to help, they're there to punish. There was NO need to punish this man for having to enter his own vehicle in an unconventional manner, especially considering he didnt owe them any further information than what was provided. He explained what was going on, he offered corroboration, and he didn't object to their presence. He just told them he wasn't going to identify himself, and they kicked his ass for it. I'm sorry but that's far worse policing than what I listed.

Moving into a "prove you're supposed to be here" or "prove to me you're NOT committing a crime right now" territory is dangerous. Suggesting Cops proceed as if every citizen is tentatively lying to them enhances that danger. IMO Police should make informed decisions looking at the totality of the situation, rather than this...which is reacting based on feels. Or at best, poor logic. Like this scenario:



Again, arrested for not ID'ing when not committing a crime. This is nothing more than the old "we came here, so someone is getting punished."



She was aware she doesnt owe them to prove her own innocense, even in the face of threats of destruction of her property.

That second video... oooooh man o man good for that lady. Fuck off until you have a warrant, get fucked. Is what I would like to say, so good on that sensible lady for not doing the same. That woman cop's talk is so coercive it's disgusting. No wonder people won't cooperate with cops when they pull shit like that.

 

[Andy Capp]

That second video... oooooh man o man good for that lady. Fuck off until you have a warrant, get fucked. Is what I would like to say, so good on that sensible lady for not doing the same. That woman cop's talk is so coercive it's disgusting. No wonder people won't cooperate with cops when they pull shit like that.

Further to the above, smart too. No, "I know my rights" or any of that silly instigating crap just, nope. That's gonna be a nope. No thanks, ma'am. Nope.

I hope I'm half that level headed in half as egregious circumstances with the police. As if LOL

 

[nhbbear]

Of course you won't watch it because then it is impossible to defend. And how did i lash out at you? I simply said you would defend it because you always do. you are the one who started with the name calling. And slow down there keyboard warrior. aren't you retired? you can no longer go around beating people with no fear of repercussions because you are a cop

I have no desire to watch it. I don’t read every post in this thread. This thread was about a good police shooting of an armed subject firing shots in the streets and still people protested. A mod turned it into an anti-cop thread. And I condemn bad cops all the time, you either miss it, or choose to ignore it. Lol at beating people in the streets.

 

[Via Heeto]

I have no desire to watch it. I don’t read every post in this thread. This thread was about a good police shooting of an armed subject firing shots in the streets and still people protested. A mod turned it into an anti-cop thread. And I condemn bad cops all the time, you either miss it, or choose to ignore it. Lol at beating people in the streets.

and that is a perfect example why there are no good cops. always eager to back and applaud cops when they do something right, but always ready to look the other way when they do wrong.