Crime What did the cops do wrong today Megathread Vol. 6 ? (who knows, lots of cop threads)

[oldshadow]

They dont need MORE money for training, they need better training for what they're spending the money on. Not sure how you could disagree with that. The guy I linked is the most popular Police trainer in the Country, and every clone of his is operating to turn our Cops into kill-loving goons.

So what do you see wrong with what he said.

He said to look at the positive said if you have to use deadly force. If it was justified and needed. Look at the life's you possibly saved and feel good about that. No where did he say to take pleasure in the act of killing.

I know from experience that hesitation has an effect on others that you must live with.

 

[Sinister]

So what do you see wrong with what he said.

He said to look at the positive said if you have to use deadly force. If it was justified and needed. Look at the life's you possibly saved and feel good about that. No where did he say to take pleasure in the act of killing.

I know from experience that hesitation has an effect on others that you must live with.

The problem I have with what he said is its excusatory of ESCALATION. If you dont think there should be a difference between Cops and Combat soldiers then there's no reason to have this conversation. Cops are supposed to be trained in de-escalation. And hes not just talking about not hesitating, he's talking about LIKING killing or not feeling bad about it at all being ok. That's called psychopathy and it flies in the face of most of the therapy soldiers need after Wars, and that includes many with high kill rates who still end up drinking themselves to sleep at night.

My Mother's ex-Husband was an SP in the Air Force, did Honor Guard, Command Guard for a General, and undercover work just before he got out. When he went into civilian policing, that's when he started drinking and becoming a POS because of what he was doing. This clown would have him feel good about it as opposed to realizing the people he was interacting with were human beings. There's no such thing as always feeling good about it.

Not to mention how many times dumbass Cops kill people for mundane reasons and try justifying it with nonsense. This "Warrior Cop" bullsh*t is just going to make that worse, not better.

 

[oldshadow]

The problem I have with what he said is its excusatory of ESCALATION. If you dont think there should be a difference between Cops and Combat soldiers then there's no reason to have this conversation. Cops are supposed to be trained in de-escalation. And hes not just talking about not hesitating, he's talking about LIKING killing or not feeling bad about it at all being ok. That's called psychopathy and it flies in the face of most of the therapy soldiers need after Wars, and that includes many with high kill rates who still end up drinking themselves to sleep at night.

My Mother's ex-Husband was an SP in the Air Force, did Honor Guard, Command Guard for a General, and undercover work just before he got out. When he went into civilian policing, that's when he started drinking and becoming a POS because of what he was doing. This clown would have him feel good about it as opposed to realizing the people he was interacting with were human beings. There's no such thing as always feeling good about it.

Not to mention how many times dumbass Cops kill people for mundane reasons and try justifying it with nonsense. This "Warrior Cop" bullsh*t is just going to make that worse, not better.

You are confusing wanting to kill with the need for deadly force.

Of course in most situations if you can avoid deadly force by taking down or other means it best.

How if the situation calls for deadly force and you hesitate it can cost life's.

The point is if it's required and you use it you need to deal with it. One of the ways is to understand it was required and even though you didn't want to do it there are some positive aspects to the situation. As in you prevented futher harm or death to others.

 

[Sinister]

You are confusing wanting to kill with the need for deadly force.

Of course in most situations if you can avoid deadly force by taking down or other means it best.

How if the situation calls for deadly force and you hesitate it can cost life's.

The point is if it's required and you use it you need to deal with it. One of the ways is to understand it was required and even though you didn't want to do it there are some positive aspects to the situation. As in you prevented futher harm or death to others.

I'm not confusing anything. I've seen quite a few of these "Warrior Cop" seminars and they are all reflective of the "shoot first, ask questions later" sh*t that is plaguing police departments everywhere. It has done literally nothing to alleviate the problem of Cops deeming mundane sh*t as "threats to life" and excusing themselves for killing people they don't need to. This crap doesnt belong in our streets and is at the crux of the problem of out-of-control policing. You just saw a Cop unapologetically pull a gun on an entire family because he apparently perceived waiting 30 seconds as some kind of threat.

De-escalation, not "escalation if you feel its justified and if you did, enjoy it."

 

[emefer]

11 year old girl gets groomed by sicko and the police threaten to arrest her for producing CP.

What kinda amateur show is this? They can make the video full screen and can’t shut up while it’s playing.

 

[Mr Holmes]

What kinda amateur show is this? They can make the video full screen and can’t shut up while it’s playing.

They're comedians so its part of their show.

 

[emefer]

So what do you see wrong with what he said.

He said to look at the positive said if you have to use deadly force. If it was justified and needed. Look at the life's you possibly saved and feel good about that. No where did he say to take pleasure in the act of killing.

I know from experience that hesitation has an effect on others that you must live with.

I have a problem with his identifying police as warriors.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Yeah, nice way to make entire generations of kids who will be taught not to trust the Police, and with good reason. Then they cry in their bodycams about how no one is cooperative.

Also it would make the parents less likely to report it.

 

[emefer]

They're comedians so its part of their show.

Shouldn’t what they say be humorous then?
They should make the “jokes” after the video.

 

[oldshadow]

I'm not confusing anything. I've seen quite a few of these "Warrior Cop" seminars and they are all reflective of the "shoot first, ask questions later" sh*t that is plaguing police departments everywhere. It has done literally nothing to alleviate the problem of Cops deeming mundane sh*t as "threats to life" and excusing themselves for killing people they don't need to. This crap doesnt belong in our streets and is at the crux of the problem of out-of-control policing. You just saw a Cop unapologetically pull a gun on an entire family because he apparently perceived waiting 30 seconds as some kind of threat.

De-escalation, not "escalation if you feel its justified and if you did, enjoy it."

It's all part of a training plan. You teach de-escalation. You teach when deadly force is justified and needed. You teach the mental and physical consequences of using or not using deadly force.

You speak like there is no justified use of deadly force.

 

[oldshadow]

I have a problem with his identifying police as warriors.

In certain very narrow situations they are. The problem is when and how to turn that on and off.

Much more training is needed in all of this.

I also have a problem when that mind set is held all the time or when it is in play at the wrong time.

 

[Sinister]

It's all part of a training plan. You teach de-escalation. You teach when deadly force is justified and needed. You teach the mental and physical consequences of using or not using deadly force.

You speak like there is no justified use of deadly force.

I speak like there is no need for "Warrior Cop" nonsense, especially in a Nation whose policing is as defunct as ours.

Especially when the SCOTUS ruled that Police are under no obligation to protect the public, which is why that coward at Parkland got away with letting kids be executed, and so did those cowards in Uvalde.

You seem to have the old school Western "Good Sheriff" view of police going on, which is allowing this Warrior nonsense to become something police department spend vast money on. The Police are not Soldiers, the public are not their tentative enemies, and that sort of ideology about policing has done nothing to improve it.

 

[oldshadow]

I speak like there is no need for "Warrior Cop" nonsense, especially in a Nation whose policing is as defunct as ours.

Especially when the SCOTUS ruled that Police are under no obligation to protect the public, which is why that coward at Parkland got away with letting kids be executed, and so did those cowards in Uvalde.

You seem to have the old school Western "Good Sheriff" view of police going on, which is allowing this Warrior nonsense to become something police department spend vast money on. The Police are not Soldiers, the public are not their tentative enemies, and that sort of ideology about policing has done nothing to improve it.

You condemn the warriors mind set in any situation then condemn them for not responding as warriors when the situation needed it.

 

[DragRacer]

The time to be warrior cop is when there’s an active shooter at a school. Bite down on your mouthpiece and bunker rush the psycho that’s massacring children, and hope that God is with you.
The time to be a friend to the public is when someone is speeding on the way to the emergency vet with their dying dog.
These arrogant cops with room temperature IQs don’t seem to be able to differentiate the scenarios.

You condemn the warriors mind set in any situation then condemn them for not responding as warriors when the situation needed it.

 

[oldshadow]

The time to be warrior cop is when there’s an active shooter at a school. Bite down on your mouthpiece and bunker rush the psycho that’s massacring children, and hope that God is with you.
The time to be a friend to the public is when someone is speeding on the way to the emergency vet with their dying dog.
These arrogant cops with room temperature IQs don’t seem to be able to differentiate the scenarios.

I agree. It requires much more training and leadership starting at the top down.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

What would you do in this situation @Protectandserve @nhbbear

 

[nhbbear]

What would you do in this situation @Protectandserve @nhbbear

Pretty disgusting. Girl should be ushered into therapy, not threatened with jail. I didn’t watch video because I am at work

 

[Sinister]

You condemn the warriors mind set in any situation then condemn them for not responding as warriors when the situation needed it.

Easy with the boot-licking.

I condemn the entire atmosphere of policing. I condemn the fact that the Supreme Court ruled that they are not legally obligated to "protect"...because they're scared. I condemn that they often blame victims they shoot...also because they're scared.

What I have said, am saying, and will continue to say is that their training sucks, it doesnt work well, and the money needs to be spent on BETTER training. You objected to that after saying to just throw more money at the problem like they dont already get the lion's share of City and Town budgets.

 

[Sinister]

What would you do in this situation @Protectandserve @nhbbear

If you notice, a common theme among all these Police videos is when they get called...they will have a crime in their heads, and then theyll find a person who must have committed it. Not necessarily that they need to find out if a person committed a crime. And often times they give WAY too much credence to whoever called them. You can find tons of videos of people who were doing something perfectly normal and someone called the Cops on them, so then they have to spend a good deal of time proving their innocense to the Cops, who then almost always want their ID's even if its obvious no crime has been committed, which they will then try to attach the crime of "obstructing."

This mentality led that Cop to suggesting the little girl could be arrested for child porn, because the idea is there was this crime that happened...the Dad was looking for help with the crime, the thought of the Cop was to threaten the nearest person with guilt of the crime (likely thinking that was a smart scare tactic or some sh*t). This is often why when someone gets the Cops called on them you dont very often see the Cops in those videos go to the person that called them. Instead they accost innocent people with that "we got a call" line as if that automatically means someone is guilty of something.

The important thing to remember is that according to the 5th Amendment no one in the US is obligated to help the Police investigate, especially themselves. You dont need to prove your Innocense. You dont have to answer questions.

 

[Protectandserve]

What would you do in this situation @Protectandserve @nhbbear

Fucking hell. That cops a piece of work.

I’d be fucking pissed if that was my partner. I guarantee she gets into a ton of avoidable fights.

I’ve responded to these calls. You need to have a chat with the parents on setting up safeguards online and then talk to the kid about protecting themselves from predators. Not threaten them with going to jail or saying they are creating CP…