Crime What did the cops do wrong today Megathread Vol. 6 ? (who knows, lots of cop threads)

[PG29 red0 Jr]

Last Thursday night, I am driving from IL to the upper peninsula of Michigan for a snowmobile trip. They had a storm come through and got about 12-16" of snow last week.

There are 4 of us in my truck heading up. We get a block away from my house in Michigan, and are approaching a stop sign that sits on the top of a small hill. I slow down, and pull up to it check both ways and proceed. I pull into my alley, and a cop car lights me up.

He asks for my license, insurance, and registration. I give him my license and insurance, and tell the cop I don't know where the registration is. In Illinois they just run the plate and you don't need to show registration paperwork.

Cop leaves for a few minutes, and comes back to the truck. He says that they have a state grant to crack down on DUIs so this will be a DUI stop. They ask me where I am coming from, where I am going, why I am out of state etc.

They make me get outside during a snow storm (about 5* F) outside and perform a bunch of acrobatic feats. They shine a light in my eyes for a few minutes, ask me to watch their finger as they move it side to side in front of me etc.

They then ask me to blow. I ask them if I failed the sobriety test, but they won't give me a response. I ask them why I was pulled over, and they say because I didn't fully stop at the stop sign (I didn't). I ask them why I was under suspicion for DUI, and despite they said something about grant money when I was first pulled over they now said I smelled like alcohol.

I blow .00 and they let me go.

I am still pretty worked up out this. I feel violated, like this entire stop was BS due to some special funding the department got and that there was no probably cause.

Anyone else have something like this happen to them?

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Lol. Imagine spending that much effort on kids having a party.

 

[Poon Goon]

They then ask me to blow.

 

[nhbbear]

Like by talking and clarifying with the calling party about what happened before approaching and assaulting someone who may or may not have broken any laws. I don't know why you want to ignore the very reason why they are there and approaching him in the first place.
He told them in the video that he walked up to the wrong car, so why not at that point go, hmm maybe we should make sure this wasn't just a misunderstanding before we put hands on him and start accusing him of crimes without anything to back it up other than a phone call.

The caller spoke with dispatch. The guy admitted it. You can’t prove that it was or wasn’t an accident. Dude was high af is why he went to the wrong car. But either way, the call on him alone is reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime has occurred or is occurring. That gives the police all they need to be speaking with him without having the need to talk to the original caller. Why they are legally questioning him, he ingests either a pill or some other substance. What it was makes little difference. Look at the way he took it. That wasn’t a casual “I need my medicine” that was a “I better not get caught with this” reaction. Where I have the problem with this incident is the cops’ response to him snacking on medication or drugs. They yanked him out of the car leading to a physical fight. He should have been ordered to exit the vehicle, patted down, taken into custody for destroying evidence and then thoroughly searched, given a ticket or summons, and kicked loose.

 

[Gutter Chris]

No race angle for Ben to get involved

I just meant a lawyer crawling up his ass and making his life hard in general dude not a race case. I don't know another fight with the police attorneys by name

 

[Jar of Flies]

Cops once thought I had cocaine on my drivers license when it was just deodorant debris. That was a fun stop.

 

[BlueCat]

Probably cause doesn’t really matter. Cops can you pull you over for no reason at all search or test you for no reason at all. All they have to do is make up a reason.

This exact thing happened to my boss. He got stopped because his truck matched some description or some bs. He passed his field tests & the breathalyzer. The cop still arrested him for DWI. Before court, the cop got fired for falsifying other DWI reports & the case was dropped but it still cost him a lot of money.

 

[THE BOSS]

I always wonder what these families think the police should do with these armed fleeing resisting felons besides shoot them. Like if this was racial murder how should it have played out instead.

They’re incapable of thinking that many steps ahead.

 

[SLUG1186]

The caller spoke with dispatch. The guy admitted it. You can’t prove that it was or wasn’t an accident. Dude was high af is why he went to the wrong car. But either way, the call on him alone is reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime has occurred or is occurring. That gives the police all they need to be speaking with him without having the need to talk to the original caller. Why they are legally questioning him, he ingests either a pill or some other substance. What it was makes little difference. Look at the way he took it. That wasn’t a casual “I need my medicine” that was a “I better not get caught with this” reaction. Where I have the problem with this incident is the cops’ response to him snacking on medication or drugs. They yanked him out of the car leading to a physical fight. He should have been ordered to exit the vehicle, patted down, taken into custody for destroying evidence and then thoroughly searched, given a ticket or summons, and kicked loose.

In this case, yes, I was able to find the actual report that goes into what the caller was reporting. But when they show up he is in the car that he is supposed to be in. So what is the crime at that point, was anything stolen, was anything reported stolen, did he attack anyone?

Here is the actual police report with witness interviews.
https://county.pueblo.org/sites/def...er Involved Incident on February 22, 2022.pdf

 

[nhbbear]

In this case, yes, I was able to find the actual report that goes into what the caller was reporting. But when they show up he is in the car that he is supposed to be in. So what is the crime at that point, was anything stolen, was anything reported stolen, did he attack anyone?

Here is the actual police report with witness interviews.
https://county.pueblo.org/sites/default/files/2022-10/Officer Involved Incident on February 22, 2022.pdf

What is the crime that occurs before he destroys evidence that led to him being dragged from the vehicle that led to him attacking the officer? Well, not that he would have been, but considering the report was that he had been trying door handles, which thieves do to see if a vehicle is unlocked, he enters a lady’s vehicle. This is per the dispatch and by admission of this guy himself. He could be-could be charged with entering without breaking and trespassing. Do I think he meant to commit those crimes? No, I think he was high af and simply got into the wrong car. Dude takes Methadone, so the odds are very high that he still uses other drugs, possibly meth based upon his appearance and the deputy describing him as very strong. I also say meth because according to the fsnikt, that was his drug of choice.

I am starting to think this shooting will be ruled as justified. Based on that report, he head butted the deputy in the nose.l, cashing injury. His partner was a female, which right or wrong, allows officers to use more force based upon graham v Connor because of their lesser strength. She did seem kind of useless there and the deputy says he felt like he was by himself. Other graham v Connor factors are the following: subject is actively fighting with officers, officer is injured during the struggle, subject is under the influence of something, terrain appears slippery, and the fact that the subject reported that he had a knife.

I still feel that the deputy handled this wrong when he took the pill or whatever it was. He should have been told to get out of the vehicle and patted down for the weapon. He could be taken into custody at that time for destroying evidence as he gulped whatever that was. I have seen subjects swallow evidence before and have seen them overdose when the packaging ripped or they overdose from taking too much of whatever they have on them. I have also seen a video where a guy tries to swallow a baggie of weed and chokes to death on it. The deputy is going to say that he was afraid that would happen to this guy.

I have changed my
Mind about this being a justified shoot the more I discuss it. Again, could have and should have been handled differently at the point he puts the drugs into his mouth-I don’t believe that is a crime worthy of dragging a guy from the vehicle with such urgency. But I feel based upon the weapon, him head butting the deputy, and the other factors I listed, this shooting will be ruled justified. As awful as it sounds, I do believe that if the deceased were black that this would be a much bigger story and that charges would likely be pressed.

 

[SLUG1186]

What is the crime that occurs before he destroys evidence that led to him being dragged from the vehicle that led to him attacking the officer? Well, not that he would have been, but considering the report was that he had been trying door handles, which thieves do to see if a vehicle is unlocked, he enters a lady’s vehicle. This is per the dispatch and by admission of this guy himself. He could be-could be charged with entering without breaking and trespassing. Do I think he meant to commit those crimes? No, I think he was high af and simply got into the wrong car. Dude takes Methadone, so the odds are very high that he still uses other drugs, possibly meth based upon his appearance and the deputy describing him as very strong. I also say meth because according to the fsnikt, that was his drug of choice.

I am starting to think this shooting will be ruled as justified. Based on that report, he head butted the deputy in the nose.l, cashing injury. His partner was a female, which right or wrong, allows officers to use more force based upon graham v Connor because of their lesser strength. She did seem kind of useless there and the deputy says he felt like he was by himself. Other graham v Connor factors are the following: subject is actively fighting with officers, officer is injured during the struggle, subject is under the influence of something, terrain appears slippery, and the fact that the subject reported that he had a knife.

I still feel that the deputy handled this wrong when he took the pill or whatever it was. He should have been told to get out of the vehicle and patted down for the weapon. He could be taken into custody at that time for destroying evidence as he gulped whatever that was. I have seen subjects swallow evidence before and have seen them overdose when the packaging ripped or they overdose from taking too much of whatever they have on them. I have also seen a video where a guy tries to swallow a baggie of weed and chokes to death on it. The deputy is going to say that he was afraid that would happen to this guy.

I have changed my
Mind about this being a justified shoot the more I discuss it. Again, could have and should have been handled differently at the point he puts the drugs into his mouth-I don’t believe that is a crime worthy of dragging a guy from the vehicle with such urgency. But I feel based upon the weapon, him head butting the deputy, and the other factors I listed, this shooting will be ruled justified. As awful as it sounds, I do believe that if the deceased were black that this would be a much bigger story and that charges would likely be pressed.

Thieves go around parking lots and neighborhoods at night checking door handles, not cars lined up at school for kid pick up lol. And yea, guy was likely high af and jittery. But again poorly handled and putting hands on people too soon without knowing all the facts. "Oh no, he put a pill in his mouth, he's destroying evidence, quick lets fuck him up" lol. The DA already cleared them.

The female deputy was so useless, I keep forgetting she was even there, just like Dep. McWhorter did.

 

[nhbbear]

Thieves go around parking lots and neighborhoods at night checking door handles, not cars lined up at school for kid pick up lol. And yea, guy was likely high af and jittery. But again poorly handled and putting hands on people too soon without knowing all the facts. "Oh no, he put a pill in his mouth, he's destroying evidence, quick lets fuck him up" lol. The DA already cleared them.

The female deputy was so useless, I keep forgetting she was even there, just like Dep. McWhorter did.

What additional facts are needed for what the officers witnessed in person. I have told you, having a caller state that he got into a car that he had no right to be in is enough to question him.

 

[jamel]

No race angle for Ben to get involved

Ain’t he defending the family of the boy that had Wii-mote in his hand and was shot by a cop when he answered the door?

 

[Gutter Chris]

The caller spoke with dispatch. The guy admitted it. You can’t prove that it was or wasn’t an accident. Dude was high af is why he went to the wrong car. But either way, the call on him alone is reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime has occurred or is occurring. That gives the police all they need to be speaking with him without having the need to talk to the original caller. Why they are legally questioning him, he ingests either a pill or some other substance. What it was makes little difference. Look at the way he took it. That wasn’t a casual “I need my medicine” that was a “I better not get caught with this” reaction. Where I have the problem with this incident is the cops’ response to him snacking on medication or drugs. They yanked him out of the car leading to a physical fight. He should have been ordered to exit the vehicle, patted down, taken into custody for destroying evidence and then thoroughly searched, given a ticket or summons, and kicked loose.

This why I keep harping that the war on drugs needs to end. This fuckin idiot is dead cuz he didn't wanna get jammed up on 1 pill and being high. And it creates these huge trust issues with the cops. His explanation of what happened should have been good enough to move on. Most of the true police abuse horror stories come from drug enforcement. This is just not working that well and we need to do something different

 

[SLUG1186]

What additional facts are needed for what the officers witnessed in person. I have told you, having a caller state that he got into a car that he had no right to be in is enough to question him.

And he answered their questions, mistaking someone's car for the car he was in is not a crime. Yes, could they charge him, sure, if they like their cases being thrown out. Not sure what your getting at here. They witnessed him take a pill, could have been an advil, they don't know and decided to grab and assault him because of it.

 

[nhbbear]

Ain’t he defending the family of the boy that had Wii-mote in his hand and was shot by a cop when he answered the door?

I don’t know. I know he sued on behalf of a white kid that was shot while holding some kind of car fluid. But the absolute majority of his cases are race related. He is, after all, the black attorney general as they say

 

[nhbbear]

And he answered their questions, mistaking someone's car for the car he was in is not a crime. Yes, could they charge him, sure, if they like their cases being thrown out. Not sure what your getting at here. They witnessed him take a pill, could have been an advil, they don't know and decided to grab and assault him because of it.

Well, the junkie said it was an accident..guess there is nothing further to be discussed. And quickly gulping a pill after being asked if he had any drugs on him is just a bit suspicious, no? Worthy of grabbing him and dragging him out of the car? No, as j have stated numerous times.

 

[nhbbear]

This why I keep harping that the war on drugs needs to end. This fuckin idiot is dead cuz he didn't wanna get jammed up on 1 pill and being high. And it creates these huge trust issues with the cops. His explanation of what happened should have been good enough to move on. Most of the true police abuse horror stories come from drug enforcement. This is just not working that well and we need to do something different

We, as a society have shown that we can’t handle two things: drugs and guns. We simply don’t know how to solve either issue. I am at a loss. Legalize drugs and you have death and zombies everywhere. And don’t you dare say Portugal! And firearms-the fine line between freedom and death…I don’t know what the solutions are.

 

[SLUG1186]

We, as a society have shown that we can’t handle two things: drugs and guns. We simply don’t know how to solve either issue. I am at a loss. Legalize drugs and you have death and zombies everywhere. And don’t you dare say Portugal! And firearms-the fine line between freedom and death…I don’t know what the solutions are.

Drugs is a catch all term. Some drugs would need much heavier regulation while others would be more lax. Having the DEA, an enforcement agency, responsible for the scheduling of drugs is one of the dumbest things, right up there with letting the ATF rewrite rules in the NFA. We don't know what it could look like because we haven't even tried to attempt anything other than "war on drugs", zero tolerance bullshit. I rode with a cop that was legit pissed that a local school stopped calling them when they found weed on kids, like he wanted to be the one to lock them up and ruin their life. If you commit a crime while on certain drugs, maybe double the sentence, idk, but what we are doing isn't working so why keep doing it? Drugs are more available now than ever. But since it's still a black market product, you now have dealers cutting with sketchy shit and people dying.

 

[SLUG1186]

Well, the junkie said it was an accident..guess there is nothing further to be discussed. And quickly gulping a pill after being asked if he had any drugs on him is just a bit suspicious, no? Worthy of grabbing him and dragging him out of the car? No, as j have stated numerous times.

lol responded to the wrong post. Either way, no not saying there isn't further discussion to be had, but damn man, why jump to violence. Yes it's suspect, but who cares, it's a pill and they don't know if it was opiates or not. Feel like we are beating a dead horse at this point. I think both fucked up, dude would be alive if he was more chill but I don't like the way the cops handled and they could have prevented that even with him being uncooperative.