Crime What did the cops do wrong today Megathread Vol. 6 ? (who knows, lots of cop threads)

[Poon Goon]

pretty much, yeah. What the fuck do you say to that? I had three weeks on the department. He was a sergeant and range instructor. I did, however, get him back multiple times. After he retired, I wrote a neighbor of his a ticket for driving like a fucking asshole and then running his mouth. Ret Sgt mackey came crawling to me to fix the ticket and with great pleasure I told him to fuck off. So he had to go back to his neighbor/friend and admit that he had zero fucking clout and was useless as an ex cop and friend. Then, he got kicked out of the law day dinner for being a drunken asshole. I had the pleasure of removing him from the property and made him call a cab and pay for it rather than give him a ride home. Fuck his racist ass

In my first job after college I had a shithead boss like that. Me and a few coworkers played a prank on him for being a dick. We went by his house late at night, nailed the windows/doors shut, and then lit the back of the house on fire.

 

[koquerelle]

When have I ever not been able to take a joke?

Some come at you hard. I wanted my stance to be clear. Carry on, hippie.

 

[nhbbear]

Not saying the police did anything wrong but it is only a
Matter of time before this genius becomes a
Martyr. But they’re doing a criminal probe into the police actions despite this being on video of him bashing his own head with some kind of sewer lid

A criminal and administrative investigation has been launched into the actions of five police officers who detained a man who died in custody after a 911 caller said he was out of control and coming down off drugs at an inpatient facility in Phoenix.

The police video includes police bodycam video and audio and the 911 call.



“We had a crisis situation,” a facility employee said. “We have a client that is just out of control.

“He’s throwing, hitting stuff. He’s breaking everything.”

“He’s coming down off drugs, so he’s a little bit delusional.”

Police body cameras captured some of the drama as the man used a trash can lid to hit himself in the head. Police said in the video that the lens is fixed and does not capture everything seen or experienced by officers.

“Do you want us to help you?” an officer said.

It’s difficult to hear what the man tells officers throughout, but he did not appear to respond to the officers’ repeated questions in the video clip made available by police.



https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...an-lid-dies-in-police-custody-police-bodycam/

 

[nhbbear]

In my first job after college I had a shithead boss like that. Me and a few coworkers played a prank on him for being a dick. We went by his house late at night, nailed the windows/doors shut, and then lit the back of the house on fire.

Um, wow. Psycho

 

[nhbbear]

Some come at you hard. I wanted my stance to be clear. Carry on, hippie.

it was always funny to me that I was a hippie and a liberal in that environment

 

[rearnakedchoke]

you have no fucking clue what you are talking about

Yikes. Seems like I hit a nerve. I’d say I’m very accurate.

 

[jamel]

Somebody stay getting shot at these house parties.

I have no problem with how they handled them lil shits.


How is it the Bandos can play till sun up but these dumb mfers can’t without getting raided?
Cause they some fuck ups.

 

[mkess101]

What do you expect. The basic recruitment for police forces is to be attractive to young men that have never been able to exhibit any assertiveness in their lives. They are told, that with a few weeks of training, they will now be able to be assertive and feel manly behind a badge. That’s a bad combo.

This is a very little bit of truth mixed with mostly BS imo. But...it's probably different depending on where you are so perspectives will differ.

Here's the thing though: If cops keep getting made out to be the bad guys that cannot be trusted, the ONLY people you will EVER have applying are gonna be the meathead assholes who only want to flex and put a boot on the back of people's necks. No normal, sane person would ever want to deal with an environment that pushes more and more toward distrust of police. Some of that distrust has been earned (Holy shit I'm watching "We Own this City" right now...take a look at that limited series if you wanna see dirty ass shitty cops) and some hasn't at all. All I know is that if cops keep getting demonized, you will have NOTHING BUT asshole authoritarian dickheads filling those roles.

 

[nhbbear]

Yikes. Seems like I hit a nerve. I’d say I’m very accurate.

Nah, you just don’t know what you are talking about

 

[nhbbear]

This is a very little bit of truth mixed with mostly BS imo. But...it's probably different depending on where you are so perspectives will differ.

Here's the thing though: If cops keep getting made out to be the bad guys that cannot be trusted, the ONLY people you will EVER have applying are gonna be the meathead assholes who only want to flex and put a boot on the back of people's necks. No normal, sane person would ever want to deal with an environment that pushes more and more toward distrust of police. Some of that distrust has been earned (Holy shit I'm watching "We Own this City" right now...take a look at that limited series if you wanna see dirty ass shitty cops) and some hasn't at all. All I know is that if cops keep getting demonized, you will have NOTHING BUT asshole authoritarian dickheads filling those roles.

When I took the test to be a cop, 300 people were in the room taking that test. Maybe 100 passed and they had to divide the physical test into three groups. I finished 2 on the written test and the only person above me couldn’t pass the physical, so I became the number one on the hire list. Now, they are lucky if they get 20 to test and might get 1 or 2 past all the steps to get hired. The quality of those people that take the tests is going down. No one wants to be a cop anymore. I had a degree from a damn good school, Washington and Jefferson, and I chose to be a cop. But I felt like I wasted my degree. I have always said that college degrees should be sought after and incentivized and eventually, required. But you have to pay more to get that quality. When you get college grads and better quality candidates, the toxic culture old school guys will eventually retire and be replaced. The department should have a deal with local colleges to help officers get degrees. Plus, they learn more than they would at the academy. I learned so damn much when I was getting my masters degree and I would be an even better leader now than I was because i know the amendments so much better and the history of law enforcement. I was never a dunce and did really good on the promotional tests because the other guys either didn’t study or didn’t know how and college gave me those skills.

Give someone five years to get a degree and then a huge pay raise.

 

[nhbbear]

Don’t know if this one was posted: basically, police are called on a shady methy type of dude who was trying to get into other vehicles and swallows a pill while speaking to officers. The family claims it was an anxiety pill because he gets nervous when talking to cops. Police pull the guy out of the car and get more than they bargained for when he kind of gets the better of one of the cops and is on top of him. He fires three shots with the gun up against the guy’s body and kills him with the family right there.

Using graham v Connor and the Connor factors, i can go either way. I can kind of see how this could be justified because he was on top of one of the officers and told them he had a knife earlier in the conversation. If the officer had been alone, I would be 100% fine with it, but there was a second officer there. On the other side, you have a guy that at most, takes a drug to get rid of evidence when the officers ask him if he is on anything. They overreact imo by escalating this situation and when he wiles out on them, they escalate it all the way. The second officer seems like he doesn’t know what to do after his partner kills this guy. You don’t get to initiate a physical fight and then when you start losing, pull out a gun. The guy was most likely unarmed and would have run if given the opportunity and I fail to see how this warranted deadly force. If he had been raining down strikes there would be more of an argument for deadly force.

I am leaning towards this being excessive because there were other avenues on how to handle this. So what. He took a pill. Tell him to get out of the car, Pat him down, place him in custody for obstructing/destroying evidence, write him a ticket and kick him off of school property. I think the police unnecessarily escalated this situation. I think if this guy were not a white male, it would be all over the news.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/family-man-shot-deputy-after-wrong-suv-sues-97456630

 

[Scrody]

Don’t know if this one was posted: basically, police are called on a shady methy type of dude who was trying to get into other vehicles and swallows a pill while speaking to officers. The family claims it was an anxiety pill because he gets nervous when talking to cops. Police pull the guy out of the car and get more than they bargained for when he kind of gets the better of one of the cops and is on top of him. He fires three shots with the gun up against the guy’s body and kills him with the family right there.

Using graham v Connor and the Connor factors, i can go either way. I can kind of see how this could be justified because he was on top of one of the officers and told them he had a knife earlier in the conversation. If the officer had been alone, I would be 100% fine with it, but there was a second officer there. On the other side, you have a guy that at most, takes a drug to get rid of evidence when the officers ask him if he is on anything. They overreact imo by escalating this situation and when he wiles out on them, they escalate it all the way. The second officer seems like he doesn’t know what to do after his partner kills this guy. You don’t get to initiate a physical fight and then when you start losing, pull out a gun. The guy was most likely unarmed and would have run if given the opportunity and I fail to see how this warranted deadly force. If he had been raining down strikes there would be more of an argument for deadly force.

I am leaning towards this being excessive because there were other avenues on how to handle this. So what. He took a pill. Tell him to get out of the car, Pat him down, place him in custody for obstructing/destroying evidence, write him a ticket and kick him off of school property. I think the police unnecessarily escalated this situation. I think if this guy were not a white male, it would be all over the news.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/family-man-shot-deputy-after-wrong-suv-sues-97456630

The only explanation is that could hold up in court is the fella going for his gun, I don't see that on the camera, but cameras don't catch officers physical feelings or everything they see. I'm not amazed that this didn't get national attention.

 

[KnightTemplar]

In my first job after college I had a shithead boss like that. Me and a few coworkers played a prank on him for being a dick. We went by his house late at night, nailed the windows/doors shut, and then lit the back of the house on fire.

Dude, that's Arson and maybe even Attempted Murder. Not a prank.

 

[KnightTemplar]

When I took the test to be a cop, 300 people were in the room taking that test. Maybe 100 passed and they had to divide the physical test into three groups. I finished 2 on the written test and the only person above me couldn’t pass the physical, so I became the number one on the hire list. Now, they are lucky if they get 20 to test and might get 1 or 2 past all the steps to get hired. The quality of those people that take the tests is going down. No one wants to be a cop anymore. I had a degree from a damn good school, Washington and Jefferson, and I chose to be a cop. But I felt like I wasted my degree. I have always said that college degrees should be sought after and incentivized and eventually, required. But you have to pay more to get that quality. When you get college grads and better quality candidates, the toxic culture old school guys will eventually retire and be replaced. The department should have a deal with local colleges to help officers get degrees. Plus, they learn more than they would at the academy. I learned so damn much when I was getting my masters degree and I would be an even better leader now than I was because i know the amendments so much better and the history of law enforcement. I was never a dunce and did really good on the promotional tests because the other guys either didn’t study or didn’t know how and college gave me those skills.

Give someone five years to get a degree and then a huge pay raise.

Doesn't help that America has some of the shortest training periods for LEO's of any First World country. Someone can do three months at their local PD academy and be out on the streets, albeit as a rookie. In Norway, it takes two years to become fully trained, and it's a mixture of academy and field training, with regular testing throughout.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Don’t know if this one was posted: basically, police are called on a shady methy type of dude who was trying to get into other vehicles and swallows a pill while speaking to officers. The family claims it was an anxiety pill because he gets nervous when talking to cops. Police pull the guy out of the car and get more than they bargained for when he kind of gets the better of one of the cops and is on top of him. He fires three shots with the gun up against the guy’s body and kills him with the family right there.

Using graham v Connor and the Connor factors, i can go either way. I can kind of see how this could be justified because he was on top of one of the officers and told them he had a knife earlier in the conversation. If the officer had been alone, I would be 100% fine with it, but there was a second officer there. On the other side, you have a guy that at most, takes a drug to get rid of evidence when the officers ask him if he is on anything. They overreact imo by escalating this situation and when he wiles out on them, they escalate it all the way. The second officer seems like he doesn’t know what to do after his partner kills this guy. You don’t get to initiate a physical fight and then when you start losing, pull out a gun. The guy was most likely unarmed and would have run if given the opportunity and I fail to see how this warranted deadly force. If he had been raining down strikes there would be more of an argument for deadly force.

I am leaning towards this being excessive because there were other avenues on how to handle this. So what. He took a pill. Tell him to get out of the car, Pat him down, place him in custody for obstructing/destroying evidence, write him a ticket and kick him off of school property. I think the police unnecessarily escalated this situation. I think if this guy were not a white male, it would be all over the news.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/family-man-shot-deputy-after-wrong-suv-sues-97456630

Didn't know about that one and man that looks bad . I'm pro the police gunning down violent criminals and usually don't feel sick after a video but that just seemed gross. Far as I can tell from that video that guy is just high white trash and his story seems plausible that he was confused about what car he was at. I need a weapon, the suspect to be wanted for something violence related , or the cop to be getting his head beat in and all alone to feel comfortable with what I just saw happening.

I do not like the shooting cops demeanor or behavior at all and I wouldn't cry if Ben crump had a go at him or worse.

 

[SLUG1186]

Don’t know if this one was posted: basically, police are called on a shady methy type of dude who was trying to get into other vehicles and swallows a pill while speaking to officers. The family claims it was an anxiety pill because he gets nervous when talking to cops. Police pull the guy out of the car and get more than they bargained for when he kind of gets the better of one of the cops and is on top of him. He fires three shots with the gun up against the guy’s body and kills him with the family right there.

Using graham v Connor and the Connor factors, i can go either way. I can kind of see how this could be justified because he was on top of one of the officers and told them he had a knife earlier in the conversation. If the officer had been alone, I would be 100% fine with it, but there was a second officer there. On the other side, you have a guy that at most, takes a drug to get rid of evidence when the officers ask him if he is on anything. They overreact imo by escalating this situation and when he wiles out on them, they escalate it all the way. The second officer seems like he doesn’t know what to do after his partner kills this guy. You don’t get to initiate a physical fight and then when you start losing, pull out a gun. The guy was most likely unarmed and would have run if given the opportunity and I fail to see how this warranted deadly force. If he had been raining down strikes there would be more of an argument for deadly force.

I am leaning towards this being excessive because there were other avenues on how to handle this. So what. He took a pill. Tell him to get out of the car, Pat him down, place him in custody for obstructing/destroying evidence, write him a ticket and kick him off of school property. I think the police unnecessarily escalated this situation. I think if this guy were not a white male, it would be all over the news.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/family-man-shot-deputy-after-wrong-suv-sues-97456630

This kinda touches on my point from earlier. Why not get more facts about what is going on before escalating the situation. This wasn't a call for a violent suspect or someone attacking people. First thing when he asked what he did, "we heard you were messing with car doors." Did the police even speak to the caller before approaching or did they just walk up and start claiming hey man you broke the law based on a phone call we got. Turns out he was with his family picking up his brother, accidentally went to the wrong car after getting out to walk and a lady freaked out. And after they shoot him, when talking with others, they say he's out hear trying to break into stuff without ever even knowing if that was the case.

 

[nhbbear]

Doesn't help that America has some of the shortest training periods for LEO's of any First World country. Someone can do three months at their local PD academy and be out on the streets, albeit as a rookie. In Norway, it takes two years to become fully trained, and it's a mixture of academy and field training, with regular testing throughout.

You’ll get no argument from me. I would love to see law enforcement greatly increase the amount of training required to be a cop. It can only help society. Granted, departments are short staffed and need to get officers on the streets asap.

 

[nhbbear]

Didn't know about that one and man that looks bad . I'm pro the police gunning down violent criminals and usually don't feel sick after a video but that just seemed gross. Far as I can tell from that video that guy is just high white trash and his story seems plausible that he was confused about what car he was at. I need a weapon, the suspect to be wanted for something violence related , or the cop to be getting his head beat in and all alone to feel comfortable with what I just saw happening.

I do not like the shooting cops demeanor or behavior at all and I wouldn't cry if Ben crump had a go at him or worse.

No race angle for Ben to get involved

 

[nhbbear]

This kinda touches on my point from earlier. Why not get more facts about what is going on before escalating the situation. This wasn't a call for a violent suspect or someone attacking people. First thing when he asked what he did, "we heard you were messing with car doors." Did the police even speak to the caller before approaching or did they just walk up and start claiming hey man you broke the law based on a phone call we got. Turns out he was with his family picking up his brother, accidentally went to the wrong car after getting out to walk and a lady freaked out. And after they shoot him, when talking with others, they say he's out hear trying to break into stuff without ever even knowing if that was the case.

I am less concerned about them not speaking to the original witness than I am them escalating the situation because he popped drugs into his mouth. That could have been dealt with so much easier and less violent. The shooting may be-may be justified, but the officers created the situation where he ended up on top of the officer

 

[SLUG1186]

I am less concerned about them not speaking to the original witness than I am them escalating the situation because he popped drugs into his mouth. That could have been dealt with so much easier and less violent. The shooting may be-may be justified, but the officers created the situation where he ended up on top of the officer

Like by talking and clarifying with the calling party about what happened before approaching and assaulting someone who may or may not have broken any laws. I don't know why you want to ignore the very reason why they are there and approaching him in the first place.
He told them in the video that he walked up to the wrong car, so why not at that point go, hmm maybe we should make sure this wasn't just a misunderstanding before we put hands on him and start accusing him of crimes without anything to back it up other than a phone call.