What counts as a takedown?

[Mr Wings]

Just re-watched Edgar vs Penn II. Great takedowns by Edgar.

Rogan and Goldy never seem to distinguish in their commentary between a takedown that scores points and an "almost" takedown.

In BJJ there's a distinction. You have to establish "restraining control" on the ground to receive two full points, meaning you have to have your opponent down for about one or two seconds. If your opponent simply hits the ground then pops back up, it doesn't score full points.

Anyone know if there is similar criteria in MMA?

 

[countswagula]

No, if you manage to get a fighter's butt on the mat everyone loses their shit and you win the round unless he does the same to you

 

[cade187]

It's not clearly defined in MMA's unified rules, but fully expect for a bunch of "wrestling purists" to enter this thread and try to force feed you with wrestling's definition of a takedown. (Wrestling AKA an entirely different sport)

 

[SeattleFightFan]

when the ref holds up 2 fingers with the wristband of the color of the fighter's tights, the judges give that fighter 2 points.

 

[Souwerisgod**]

It's not clearly defined in MMA's unified rules, but fully expect for a bunch of "wrestling purists" to enter this thread and try to force feed you with wrestling's definition of a takedown. (Wrestling AKA an entirely different sport)

Lol why dont you give us your definition of takedown then, mr mma knowledge dropper.

 

[elzar]

It's not clearly defined in MMA's unified rules, but fully expect for a bunch of "wrestling purists" to enter this thread and try to force feed you with wrestling's definition of a takedown. (Wrestling AKA an entirely different sport)

yeah, in mma a wrestling takedown might be meaningless. getting someone down and getting control for a split second might be two points in high school meets isn't the same thing as being able to work from a position of control or to inflict a few blows/ work for s ub.

 

[cade187]

Lol why dont you give us your definition of takedown then, mr mma knowledge dropper.

Again, it is not clearly identified in the unified rules; my personal definition is irrelevant.

 

[Souwerisgod**]

Again, it is not clearly identified in the unified rules; my personal definition is irrelevant.

If is not defined than what was your point earlier? Their definition is as good as yours according to you but you dont have the balls to give one.

So according to me a takedown occurs when I land a jab as it is not defined I landed 46/50 takedowns my last fight. Am I wrong?

 

[MeatballMagnus]

Wrestling is often overlooked in the sport, it sucks that a takedown often scores more points than submission attempts from the bottom

 

[cade187]

If is not defined than what was your point earlier? Their definition is as good as yours according to you but you dont have the balls to give one.

So according to me a takedown occurs when I land a jab as it is not defined I landed 46/50 takedowns my last fight. Am I wrong?

Were you dropped on your head?

My point is there is no clear definition in the rules, so therefore bickering over a definition is pointless. I didn't think I would have to spell that out. Life is just full of surprises. Obviously there should be a clear definition so judges aren't allowed as much discretion, but that is not the case.

Next up: what is the definition of pound for pound?

 

[Mr Wings]

IMO if control is not established after the takedown for at least a couple seconds, little or no points should be awarded. I'd even be open to having no points awarded at all for takedowns. They're a means to an end. If you lay and pray, no points. That's stalling, the opposite of fighting.

 

[jontimbrlycrisp]

in wresling it take 3points of contact on the ground wih control (1-3 seconds. )so i woul assume the same for mma.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Depends on the judge.
There is nothing that "scores points" in MMA.
They just give the guy who did more a 10-9.

 

[Kanster]

Watch a GSP fight.

 

[spid3yo]

I think you need to get One Ippon

 

[The Real Pedro]

I'm guessing if they tried to define it more clearly we'd get something easily gamed like the current definition of a downed fighter.

 

[schwe30]

I think it's getting the fighter's hips on the mat. That's what I'm hearing from Rogan.

 

[Magnum1978]

No, if you manage to get a fighter's butt on the mat everyone loses their shit and you win the round unless he does the same to you

lol, this

 

[SnowBlynd]

I figured it was when a fighter has all fours down or was put on their ass. Maybe they count kicking someone's leg out as a takedown. It's unclear how they see it.

 

[HIMBOB]

I thought it was 3 seconds in BJJ.

And you don't get points in MMA, its very much a feel or a vibe type thing, just like how they measure how hard a strike was etc etc, its just how each judges sees it.

For example a judge can never be proven wrong, everyone can think they are wrong but there is no offical test to say how something should be scored, be it a strike, sub attempt, knockdown, whatever.