Weight divisions aren't necessary to ensure fair fights

Sega30 said:
Ok so there's 2 belts, both owned by guy 150 lbs. Eventually as the years go by, one title is eventually owned by Mighty Mouse at 125, the other by Jones at 205. Whats the incentive for anyone 140-185 pounds to fight? Now we have to make new belts. Now since these belts aren't won by actual champions, just handed out, they can't mean as much as the others. And then a few years down the road, all 5 belts are owned by guys between 150 to 165 pounds. Again, what the incentive for anyone 135 and under and 180 and over to fight? We need new belts again. In 10 years, you're layout just leads to the creation of weight classes to avoid this endless circle.
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It doesnt lead to the creation of weight classes.

You talk about creating titles as though it's a bad thing. It really isnt. It'd become a normal part of the sport and would happen every few years (maybe longer; im just having a rough estimate). These new champions wouldnt be looked down upon. New titles would be fought for between top fighters. There will always be top fighters around a given size. 2 years is a long time in MMA. A fighter can go on a 7-fight streak in 2 years.
 
Pitier of Fools said:
Now you're getting just silly. A "belt" in this kind of scenario would mean less than the interim belts do now. They'd mean less than a Nogueira brothers black belt.
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I disagree. Belts would only be created if a situation warrants it. If there are 2 fighters who are viewed as elite, and no nearby champs of a similar size, then a title fight can happen. If no such fighters exist, then there's no need for a title at that point. Give it 6 months, and maybe a contender will emerge. I dont see the problem.
 
Pitier of Fools said:
It's a good concept, but without weight divisions how could you possibly have a champion? The only way you could do that is by having a champion of a weight range. As soon as you do that you're back to weight classes.
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back in the early UFCs without weight divisions to hide in, Connor would never have been a champion,
because there was only 1 true champion...That is fair.... Open weight will stop this nonsense of having
20 champions....at the same time
 
yes of course they are. You think Conor would matter if all the fights were open-weight?

unless you mean to say 'sufficient' instead of 'necessary'... tl,dr op honestly
 
Flex Plexico said:
If you figure out a way to ensure the promoter or whoever can't corrupt the thing and bend it to their financial whim, I like the general idea here
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Yeah, UFC seems especially trigger happy with title creation right now. In my system, theyd be free to do that whenever they want. And yeah, that's definitely a bad thing.

Fortunately, they dont want to devalue their own titles, and they like unification fights because they're money. So a promoter has reason and means to not let the number of titles get out of control.

If you're talking about the UFC putting their favorite or "marketable" fighters in title fights, yes, that'd be another problem. But they can also do the same thing now. And the good thing about MMA is, if a fighter doesnt deserve to be champ, their results in the cage will quickly show that fact
 
johncola said:
It doesnt lead to the creation of weight classes.

You talk about creating titles as though it's a bad thing. It really isnt. It'd become a normal part of the sport and would happen every few years (maybe longer; im just having a rough estimate). These new champions wouldnt be looked down upon. New titles would be fought for between top fighters. There will always be top fighters around a given size. 2 years is a long time in MMA. A fighter can go on a 7-fight streak in 2 years.
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Too many titles is a bad thing. Again, let's say there are multiple titles around the same weight. Even though 3 people have a belt that all means the same thing, everyone knows who's the first, second, and third best fighter of those champions. So why fight the best guy? You can just take out #2 and 3 and still have a belt.
 
Cooliox said:
yes of course they are. You think Conor would matter if all the fights were open-weight?

unless you mean to say 'sufficient' instead of 'necessary'... tl,dr op honestly
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Get the fuck out of my thread please
 
Who will be the new Kiyoshi Tamura, fighting dudes that weigh 200lbs more than him?
 
johncola said:
Why can't fights just be negotiated on a fight-by-fight basis? Only book fights and accept fights between fighters of a similar size. Height and reach stats aren't variable. Weight can be measured on fight night just to keep record.

What about champions, you ask? They can still exist. They just aren't attached to any particular weight. Naturally, champions will only fight fighters of a similar size. With belts changing hands, we might see 2 champs of a similar size. In that case, a unification fight is in order. On the other hand, we might see size gaps emerge. In that case, crown a new champion.

I don't see a problem with this idea.

Edit: i forgot to actually mention the point of this. There's 2 clear ones: 1. Remove weight cutting. 2. remove barriers that prevent fights between certain fighters
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Or just weigh people regularly to make sure they arent cutting too much weight. One fc i think does this.
 
johncola said:
Tell that to the mothers of fallen MMA fighters whose cause of death is weight cutting.
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If ur stupid enough to die cutting weight for a MMA fight, you were already doomed and ur number was getting called soon anyways
 
tramendous said:
Or just weigh people regularly to make sure they arent cutting too much weight. One fc i think does this.
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UFC was going to. Something like had to be within 7% of the weight class if I recall. Anyone know what happened to that?
 
Sega30 said:
Too many titles is a bad thing. Again, let's say there are multiple titles around the same weight. Even though 3 people have a belt that all means the same thing, everyone knows who's the first, second, and third best fighter of those champions. So why fight the best guy? You can just take out #2 and 3 and still have a belt.
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I dont totally understand what youre saying so it might be worth rephrasing. Im not an advocate for more titles. That isnt what I want and I dont think it's whar my idea would cause.

We dont always know the best guy. Right now in MMA is actually a great example. HW has loads of guys who could make a case. LHW has 3, arguably 4. MW has loads. WW has 3. LW has Conor plus the 2 fighting this weekend. FW has 3 if you count Conor. BW has a trio. I think Andrade is the best SW.

Anyway, like I said, I dont see what you're saying. If 3 champs exist, e.g. Cruz and Cody and Tj, then they fight. That's it. What am I not getting?
 
what a stupid thread. did you just start watching combat sports?
 
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