Watched Fedor vs. Cro Cop today

[Johnnny]

You seen Crocop's quads in those days? Those aren't the legs of a LHW.

He weighed in

You seen Crocop's quads in those days? Those aren't the legs of a LHW.

He weighed in at 225. He could have easily dehydrated to 205, that's less than 9% of his body weight. Plenty of fighters cut upwards of 15% of their body weight, as has been shown by CSAC re-weighing fighters on the day of the fight.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcente...-fedor-emelianenko-vs-mirko-cro-cop-filipovic

 

[Willek]

Every time I watch Fedor/Cro Cop all I can think is how badly prime Tim Sylvia kicks their asses.

 

[michi972]

I think prime 2?Werdum was as imprezie in moves. Great striking combos + highest level ground game

 

[beroisimo**]

In other words, you can't cite specific moments in fights.

You are welcome.

 

[sabretitan]

Fedor never threw a combo which didn't consist of winging punches lol (but he was fast I'll give you that).

DC prob threw a more technical 3 piece combo than Fedor has thrown in his entire career <Lmaoo>, and against a guy who battered Fedor like he was a kid.

You clearly are a noob. Go watch tape

 

[edbn30]

To be fair these guys are lighter than most modern day heavyweights. Cro cop was also a successful K-1 vet alongside Fedor being a multiple time Sambo champ. These were VERY high level HW's at the time. Anyone who discredits the PRIDE era is usually someone to be ignored.

exactly. honestly people who doubt Fedor as the GOAT should be ignored

 

[MaulingMyClown]

Which Heavyweights have you seen do better than this?

Jonny Bones Jones when he makes is debut

 

[edbn30]

You don't really see HW's move like this today, this fight was far ahead of its time.

2 GOATS

 

[n...not crazy]

All you can do is be the best in the world. They did that.

Tuf noobs STFU

 

[beroisimo**]

You clearly are a noob. Go watch tape

I did, couldn't find anything which wasn't fast winging punches.

Can you provide an example of Fedor throwing high quality combos with good technique?

I'll be waiting.

 

[laleggenda27]

The simple reality is that while MMA as a whole has evolved and the talent pool is much deeper, the HW division simply hasn't. There's a reason why old heads like Arlovski and Hunt were able to stay relevant until very recently.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

<Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo>

Fedor fans are so dumb and insecure, they don't even realise when their own fans are being sarcastic <Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo>

P.S. Ngannou would have KO Fedor in the most brutal way imaginable. Would have been hilarious just to see you guys rush to the forums and say stuff like "But he wasn't in his prime".

Sure, but my cousin Jeremy, who fought in bars back in the day but is now too old to fight, would have KO'd both Fedor and Ngannou in under a minute.

Because that's the fun thing about untestable hypotheses -- anyone can say anything and never be proved wrong. They're fun to take part in, but all make believe, like kids arguing about Superman vs The Hulk. But they can't be taken seriously.

What the various fighters actually did is objective. How fighters who never fought against each other isn't. Expecting everyone to agree on things like this is like expecting everyone to have the same favorite flavor of ice-cream, its simply not happening.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Still the gold standard for HW MMA.

 

[dr. john lee]

I did, couldn't find anything which wasn't fast winging punches.

Can you provide an example of Fedor throwing high quality combos with good technique?

I'll be waiting.

Your argument ignores context though. The thing people miss when thinking about different eras is the context for each fighter/player/etc. The fighter (in this case) can only achieve according to what is happening around him. That is, he came from an era when punching combinations in the boxing sense, weren't a thing. It would be like faulting the smartest caveman, because he doesn't know how to log on to a computer. Or calling Babe Ruth out for not being able to hit cut-fastballs.

 

[BowserJr]

no. i have been watching mma for 6 months now and these guys are just cans. ngannou would kill them both within 30 seconds. i just told my mum

I dont believe you.

The term can is only used by people watching mma for at least 1 or 2 yrs

 

[beroisimo**]

Sure, but my cousin Jeremy, who fought in bars back in the day but is now too old to fight, would have KO'd both Fedor and Ngannou in under a minute.

Because that's the fun thing about untestable hypotheses -- anyone can say anything and never be proved wrong. They're fun to take part in, but all make believe, like kids arguing about Superman vs The Hulk. But they can't be taken seriously.

What the various fighters actually did is objective. How fighters who never fought against each other isn't. Expecting everyone to agree on things like this is like expecting everyone to have the same favorite flavor of ice-cream, its simply not happening.

But 'your cousin Jeremy' example is simply not relevant at all. Last time I checked, he hadn't fought at the highest level, let alone for a belt.

Fact of the matter is that whilst it is true that hypotheses will always be hypothetical, they can be argued well based upon past quantitative and qualitative evidence.

So when it comes to me stating that Ngannou would have KOed Fedor, I base this upon Ngannou being a much harder puncher than ANYONE Fedor fought, and Fedor having been knocked out cold by much lesser fighters. That aside, I remember Fedor being tagged quite often in Pride, notably by Fujita who is a bum when it comes to stand up lol, so saying Ngannou would have slept Fedor is actually quite a strong hypotheses, especially since Ngannou has KOed superior strikers to Fedor as well.

KO power aside, Ngannou has eaten shots from harder punchers than Fedor.

Fedor was great for his time, but he isn't as good as his crazy fans make him out to be.

 

[JSN]

dawgg you know shit about MMA. fedor in his prime would can Ngannou 7 times and over. Ngannou besides his punching power has ZERO talent. Now go tell you mom this, as she needs to know the TRUTH.

Fedor might well lose to Ngannou though just because of the size difference. Even Stipe was really having to work to get him down when they fought and was largely using smart leverage to make Francis work hard and fire himself out trying to muscle his way up.

 

[BFoe]

I did, couldn't find anything which wasn't fast winging punches.

Can you provide an example of Fedor throwing high quality combos with good technique?

I'll be waiting.

Your argument ignores context though. The thing people miss when thinking about different eras is the context for each fighter/player/etc. The fighter (in this case) can only achieve according to what is happening around him. That is, he came from an era when punching combinations in the boxing sense, weren't a thing. It would be like faulting the smartest caveman, because he doesn't know how to log on to a computer. Or calling Babe Ruth out for not being able to hit cut-fastballs.

I don’t think that’s even true though. There are plenty of examples of Fedor throwing combos with good technique that aren’t the sloppy winging overhands we saw almost exclusively in his later years.

 

[Achilles00]

Did you watch them in the UFC? No.

What does that have to do with it? The fight happened in Pride, and that's what OP is talking about.

 

[Achilles00]

Every time I watch Fedor/Cro Cop all I can think is how badly prime Tim Sylvia kicks their asses.

lol