Watched Fedor and Fabio again, and......

[GAR]

My opinion is.....



- Fedor got caught with 2 punches coming in with punches, a right hand to the chin and left hook to the head which put him down.
- Fedor has amazing recovery skills, hard to think any other fighter that has recovered like this.
- Round 1 was a 10-9 for Fabio
- Fedor won round 2 and 3 clearly
- Fedor landed more punches
- Fabio has good boxing defense
- Fedor needs a better camp and a different team
- Fedor is 40 years old and that was a fucking war!
- Fedor should join the UFC, give us some good fights, if nothing let the legend make some cash and retire

 

[dr_hellno]

My opinion is.....
- Round 1 was a 10-9 for Fabio

You strike me as the type who would march outside a fighter's funeral holding a "10-9" sign.

 

[GAR]

You strike me as the type who would march outside a fighter's funeral holding a "10-9" sign.

If I was the ref, I would have stopped it, not saying not stoping it was the right thing to do.

 

[Danespina]

You strike me as the type who would march outside a fighter's funeral holding a "10-9" sign.

LoL funny dude.

 

[Mixfight]

These threads are getting old.

 

[Deleted member 391673]

If I was the ref, I would have stopped it, not saying not stoping it was the right thing to do.

if a fighter is throwing flying knees in the second round then obviously stopping it in the first would have been the incorrect choice

 

[GAR]

if a fighter is throwing flying knees in the second round then obviously stopping it in the first would have been the incorrect choice

Yes but me knowing that's a 40 year old legend, I'd rather stop it than take a chance.

 

[LORDTENSAIMMA]

If I was the ref, I would have stopped it, not saying not stoping it was the right thing to do.

If a fight should have been stopped, it was a 10-8. That was as bad of a beating I've ever seen in mma where it wasn't stopped. That was possibly 10-7. No way was out 10-9 (anyone feel free to name a fight where a fighter got destroyed worse and it wasn't stopped)

 

[olimpicus]

agree with TS
maybe he should train with Khabib's team. He used to be a Judo/wrestling/Sambo based fighter, more grappling oriented. Now he seems to have lost that skill

 

[TheBigGipper]

You had me until you said 10-9.

My opinion is.....



- Fedor got caught with 2 punches coming in with punches, a right hand to the chin and left hook to the head which put him down.
- Fedor has amazing recovery skills, hard to think any other fighter that has recovered like this.
- Round 1 was a 10-9 for Fabio
- Fedor won round 2 and 3 clearly
- Fedor landed more punches
- Fabio has good boxing defense
- Fedor needs a better camp and a different team
- Fedor is 40 years old and that was a fucking war!
- Fedor should join the UFC, give us some good fights, if nothing let the legend make some cash and retire

 

[Kinniku]

Fedor was sloppy and out of shape yet he was still able to overcome the beating he received in the first round. Whoever his next opponent he needs to step up his training.

 

[lyndon955]

I hadn't seen the fight but had read the play by play and seen peoples comments, now I've watched it:

goddamn Fedor took a beating, and survived which is hella impressive, you can argue he shouldnt have been taking punishment like that from Brawldonado, and I wouldn't disagree with you but still, he did and he came back to fight two more rounds

while I was watching it the thought echoed through my mind this is a 40 year old man with over 35 fights fighting for our entertainment with not an ounce of quit in him, if you can't respect that why are you watching MMA?

got love for Fedor forever

 

[jeff7b9]

If I was the ref, I would have stopped it, not saying not stoping it was the right thing to do.

What specific time would you say justified a stoppage?

I have watched the first round a few times and I did not see any time where a stoppage made sense. I could see 10-8, that would be what I would have scored it, but I never saw a time where I said "that is where the judge should have stopped the fight".

this is one of those fights, to me, where yes the cumulative damage is clear, but there was no 1 time where the fighter was KO'ed or not intelligently defending.

*similar to Brock vs Carwin round 1. People say "omg that should have been stopped" but IMO there was never a time when the stoppage was actually the appropriate call.

 

[jeff7b9]

If a fight should have been stopped, it was a 10-8. That was as bad of a beating I've ever seen in mma where it wasn't stopped. That was possibly 10-7. No way was out 10-9 (anyone feel free to name a fight where a fighter got destroyed worse and it wasn't stopped)

Chris Weidman got demolished by Rockhold in the 3rd round, he was mounted and getting smashed for a solid minute and they didn't stop it in that round.

Frankie was dropped 2 or 3 times vs Gray Maynard and did a stanky leg dance equal or better than Fedor's and that fight wasn't stopped and he went on to get the draw.

Big Nog was effectively KOed against Heath Herring by head kick and went on to win the decision.

Sakuraba vs Arona and Igor vs Enson Innoue both went to the end of the round without a stoppage and where infinitely worse than this (granted both were stopped between rounds)

Fedor took a bigger beating vs Bigfoot and it made it to the bell without being stopped (also stopped between rounds)

Just because a fighter is wobbled doesn't necessarily mean it should have been stopped.




Can you point to a time in Fedor/Brawldanado where it should have been stopped based on the precedents set by MMA referees?




Edit- Btw, I agree it was a beating and a 10-8 round, just playing devils advocate and also in my opinion for a fight to be stopped there has to be a point where the fighter is either A) out B) not defending C) taking punishing and damaging shots. Fedor definitely took a beating but he kept moving, kept fighting back, was defending himself and in my opinion was never KOed/limp or out of the fight.

 

[GAR]

I hadn't seen the fight but had read the play by play and seen peoples comments, now I've watched it:

goddamn Fedor took a beating, and survived which is hella impressive, you can argue he shouldnt have been taking punishment like that from Brawldonado, and I wouldn't disagree with you but still, he did and he came back to fight two more rounds

while I was watching it the thought echoed through my mind this is a 40 year old man with over 35 fights fighting for our entertainment with not an ounce of quit in him, if you can't respect that why are you watching MMA?

got love for Fedor forever

well said my man, well said. Some people dont know how to appreciate a warrior and a heart.

 

[GAR]

What specific time would you say justified a stoppage?

I have watched the first round a few times and I did not see any time where a stoppage made sense. I could see 10-8, that would be what I would have scored it, but I never saw a time where I said "that is where the judge should have stopped the fight".

this is one of those fights, to me, where yes the cumulative damage is clear, but there was no 1 time where the fighter was KO'ed or not intelligently defending.

*similar to Brock vs Carwin round 1. People say "omg that should have been stopped" but IMO there was never a time when the stoppage was actually the appropriate call.

I think the time he face planted and was taking shots, I would have stopped it if I was the ref.

 

[Hans Gruber]

If a fight should have been stopped, it was a 10-8. That was as bad of a beating I've ever seen in mma where it wasn't stopped. That was possibly 10-7. No way was out 10-9 (anyone feel free to name a fight where a fighter got destroyed worse and it wasn't stopped)

It wasn't even close to the worst beating in MMA. Fedor was rocked and Fabio himself even said he couldn't land the big follow up shot to put him out.

Fedor was grabbing the back of his head pulling it down with his left arm and was trying ot tie up Fabio's arm with his right which deflected most of the shots on the ground. A lot of them if you watch in slow motion were grazing off of him (grazed his lip for example) A nice one would get through every once in a while (like a solid one that hit his eye) but Fedor was trying to defend and tie him up the whole time.

Fighters took more of a beating in fights like:

Sakuraba vs Smirnovas
Edgar vs Maynard
Kongo vs Barry

and came back and won

 

[Hans Gruber]

I think the time he face planted and was taking shots, I would have stopped it if I was the ref.

He was in it the whole time. He never went out and immediately was trying to roll or defend. If you show a ref that immediately trying to tie your opponent up then they will often let you stay in the fight.

Fedor never did what Mitrione did tonight and lay still on his side while covering up (and they didn't even stop the Mitrione fight even though he was motionless for 5 seconds on his side eating shots)

and Mitrione came back to win the fight

 

[Hans Gruber]

What specific time would you say justified a stoppage?

I have watched the first round a few times and I did not see any time where a stoppage made sense. I could see 10-8, that would be what I would have scored it, but I never saw a time where I said "that is where the judge should have stopped the fight".

this is one of those fights, to me, where yes the cumulative damage is clear, but there was no 1 time where the fighter was KO'ed or not intelligently defending.

*similar to Brock vs Carwin round 1. People say "omg that should have been stopped" but IMO there was never a time when the stoppage was actually the appropriate call.

Exactly. I think people are parroting each other. At all times Fedor was trying to roll, grab the back of Fabio's head, or tie up his arm on the ground. He never stopped defending like Mitrione did tonight (and they let the Mitrione fight go on)

 

[GAR]

He was in it the whole time. He never went out and immediately was trying to roll or defend. If you show a ref that immediately trying to tie your opponent up then they will often let you stay in the fight.

Fedor never did what Mitrione did tonight and lay still on his side while covering up (and they didn't even stop the Mitrione fight even though he was motionless for 4 seconds on his side eating shots)

I get it bro, but a concussion is not a joke and getting hit in the head that many times after being knocked out is also not good for you.