Wasn't Hitler by definition a Zionist? at least for for awhile..

[TheBigLie]

In the early 1930's around 33, the Nazi's collaborated with Zionists to create a Jewish state in Palestine this is known as the Haavara agreement.

Jewish emigrants from Germany had to hand over their possessions before they departed, and the proceeds from the sale of such possessions were used by a company specifically set up for this purpose in Tel Aviv to purchase German goods for sale in Palestine. It was win, win for both sides. They saw a Jewish state as a way of getting rid of the Jews, who at the time were up to a lot of mischief in Europe with their revolutions...


Hitler was a Zionist. Like Zionists, he wanted Jews out of Europe and Zionists do everything to provoke anti-Semitism. In this way Hitler and the Nazi's fell for their trap and did exactly what the Zionists wanted all along.

Why did they change their mind about the Jewish state in Palestine? was it because they realised the Zionist project was at the expense of the Palestinian people and would bring chaos in the Middle East? Maybe Western foreign, in particular America's is being guided by Zionist interests.


Are we really to believe they went from this, to wanting to exterminate them? Even when they changed their mind on the Jewish state in Palestine, what of the Madagascar plan?

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Not entirely sure but I do know that Hitler did not originally set out to exterminate all the Jews worldwide.

Netanyahu was/is right that he was steered in that direction and le grande mufti helped convince/steer Hitler in that direction.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Netanyahu-was-right-about-Hitler-and-the-Mufti-432055

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"The academic research found that Hitler did plan to deport the whole of European Jewry and this plan was on up until December 1941, and not --as is known by the general public-- that this was his original scheme from 1939," says Gideon Cohen, CEO of Priests Publishing which has published a ten-volume series named A Post- or Super-Nationality in The European Union.


“In actuality, Hitler did change his plan from total expulsion to total annihilation of Europe's Jews. This decision was made by Hitler and was motivated by inner German motivations and not by the Mufti's speaking to him and convincing him - which is not a certain historical fact,” Cohen stresses. "But even if the Mufti did try to convince Hitler to change his plan, the change of Hitler's plan was made by Hitler and from German inner motivations and not any outside elements.” Cohen notes that one of Hitler's main motivations was making Germany and all of occupied Europe judenrein (free of Jews). "

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Historian-Netanyahu-right-on-Hitler-wrong-on-Mufti-429800

^^ Some Academic Experts agree that Netanyahu is right but that "Mufti" was not the sole influencer. The above article argues that the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is not entirely to blame which is an argument that can be made.


Grand Mufti Mohammed Amin Al- Husseini was a huge proponent of Arab nationalism and was an advocate for 'eliminating the Jews' entirely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Also, if you are a holocaust denier what do you make of the confirmed deaths via the Einsatzgruppen and the Hofle telegram and the

Destinations Recorded arrivals for the 2 weeks until
31 December 1942 Sum total as of
31 December 1942
L (Lublin, i.e. Majdanek) 12,761 24,733
B (Bełżec) 0 434,508
S (Sobibor) 515 101,370
T (Treblinka) 10,335 713,555
Total 23,611 1,274,166


What about the Korherr report?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korherr_Report

which also verifies the transportation and "special treatement" of some 1.2 million Jews THAT IS (1, 200,000) Jews transported in train carts and marked, and given "SPECIAL treatment".

Let's not act like Hitler was above killing Jews. He says in this speech below that "the Annihilation of Jewry" and that "Destruction of Jews"

will occur.

And that "Jews are not laughing anymore"

What about Goebbels and his similar threats about how Jewry will be destroyed and they will have "their lying mouths shut" and Hitler talking about the annihilation of European Jewry and his talking about "an eye for an eye" will be applied to jews.



You cannot deny the truth which is that the holocaust happened. ^^ Hitler says in the above video that Jewry (and Jews) will be cleansed from Europe. Now that is not outright a call for their entire annihilation since it is likely that Hitler and other Nazi brasses were heavily influenced by the Palestinian Grand Mufti (as historical evidence suggests that Hitler did not seem to initially want the complete annihilation of Jews as a group).

 

[Dayman1984]

What the fuck is your point TS? That the holocaust didn't happen? That's all you seem to start threads about.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

I don't think it's outright stated, but "must not hate Jews," is probably implied in the definition.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

So you're saying that the Muslims were assholes even in the 1930s. Mufti lol

 

[Fawlty]

Are we really to believe they went from this, to wanting to exterminate them? Even when they changed their mind on the Jewish state in Palestine, what of the Madagascar plan?

No, nobody should believe anything in your post, especially not you. To put forth that Nazi Germany changed their mind about establishing a Jewish state on pangs of conscience for Palestinians is about the most batshit fucking crazy thing I've ever heard.

 

[Luger]

That was a failure of a Zionist, with all those killings of the Jews.

 

[Alex]

@Mr Lemmon Is that you?

 

[IDL]

I think it's fair to say Hitler was a Zionist. He certainly supported the relocation of Jewish populations into Palestine to create the Jewish state.

From the Zionists perspective it's quite a tricky problem to convince Jews to move into the desert. The carrot and stick approach is what they had to work with.