Was Salahuddin right when he said this...

[RowdyLesnar]

I don't think it destroys the nation but rather the family values especially with the rise of Onlyfans and stuff. Yay or nay? @Oceanmachine

 

[dc007]

No.

 

[CutStryker]

I agree that it won’t destroy it alone, but rather part this and some other things will destroy a Nation. Like...

Take away Borders, Language, Culture

 

[Kdup]

I don't think it destroys the nation but rather the family values especially with the rise of Onlyfans and stuff. Yay or nay? @Oceanmachine

lol what? In contrast to what? Being completely submissive to men? Wearing bed sheets everywhere you go? Freedom is freedom, what you do with it, is a reflection of you. Not your country, that doesn’t stone you to death, for getting money, to show your feet and butthole online.

 

[hohner]

Now I feel like I don't show my feet or butthole online often enough.

 

[milkmandanl]

Now I feel like I don't show my feet or butthole online often enough.

dont despair there’s still time.

 

[shunyata]

In my experience, the way to destroy and pervert a nation most fully is to allow a rabid theocracy to take hold of state power.

 

[Medulla Omoplata]

I agree that it won’t destroy it alone, but rather part this and some other things will destroy a Nation. Like...

Take away Boarders, Language, Culture

Boarding is a perfectly reasonable means of housing, what's your problem?

 

[Bacco]

Not word by word but the general concept have a core of truth

I mean moral decay is what slowly destroyed Roman Empire, hilarious amount of parallels can be done

Modern softness is one of current biggest threats of the west, social stability in the US and survival in Europe

Somehow west mistake some decades of local peace with "the world is no more a jungle" and thought Mr. Nice Guy may stay king forever without need a sword

On other hand money is other big enemy
Specially today money recognize no nation (except Israel maybe lol), no interest about average citizien and his society.
Money want absolute globalism no matter what collateral damage can do

Combine the two and

 

[shunyata]

Boarding is a perfectly reasonable means of housing, what's your problem?

I mean I've never had boarders other than my kids, but if someone had a bunch of unruly tenants I can see why they'd want them taken away.


Taking away language and banning cultural events or pushing them underground can certainly take away from a people, and it's something that has a brutal history in the US and Canada. First Nations people being displaced at gunpoint to reservations, then a generation later their children are taken from them to be placed in reeducation camps and strictly punished for using the language of their fathers. There's nothing wrong with multiple languages being used in an urban setting or varying by location within a nation. Prior to WW1 it was very common for public schools in certain parts of the US to teach in German as a primary language while teaching English as a secondary as children matured.


Unifying language can have benefits, for sure, but stomping out other languages and dialects is often a tool of fascism to unite by force. In Chinese history Qin Shi Huang Di is famous for unifying China and standardizing language, units of measurement, and more across his empire. It had a ton of benefits but came at a horrible cost, scholars and books were burned, smaller states and nations were crushed into dust if they didn't bend the knee. Nations were lost, culture was lost.

 

[BearGrounds]

There's no doubt that ideological subversion is currently wreaking havoc on western society, and destroying the nuclear family has been a major aspect of that assault for good reason - it destabilizes the individual at the very base level.

The general sentiment of his statement has merit.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

being a slave to pleasures of the flesh corrupts the mental health of humankind. This has been a philosophy prevalent in many religions cultures, and philosophies. it isn't specific to abrahamic religions either.

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

I don't think it destroys the nation but rather the family values@Oceanmachine

Well yes, if adultery is commonplace then family values in turn are evidently not commonplace.

Not so sure I would view prevalence of nudity to be a cause of the erosion of family values. Porn has existed since the first cameras and nudity has been used in art from sculptures to paintings for thousands of years. With regard to onlyfans and the like perhaps it’s a symptom of the erosion of family values rather then the cause.

 

[shunyata]

Not word by word but the general concept have a core of truth

I mean moral decay is what slowly destroyed Roman Empire, hilarious amount of parallels can be done

Modern softness is one of current biggest threats of the west, social stability in the US and survival in Europe

Somehow west mistake some decades of local peace with "the world is no more a jungle" and thought Mr. Nice Guy may stay king forever without need a sword

On other hand money is other big enemy
Specially today money recognize no nation (except Israel maybe lol), no interest about average citizien and his society.
Money want absolute globalism no matter what collateral damage can do

Combine the two and

Moral decay is an interesting way to put it.

My understanding was that centuries of corruption in the legislative branch of their government meant that the senate was no longer acting in the interests of the empire, but was acting more and more frequently out of self interest and greed and could be lobbied by the highest bidder at many points. Government became less effective as the senate served the wealthy more and more instead of what would help the empire as a whole. The senate became more and more plutocratic which in turn caused military and economic instability.

It was the greed, corruption, and loss of principles of the senators that did all the real damage, had nothing to do with the morals of the average citizen.

 

[hohner]

dont despair there’s still time.

Thank goodness.

 

[moreorless87]

Moral decay is an interesting way to put it.

My understanding was that centuries of corruption in the legislative branch of their government meant that the senate was no longer acting in the interests of the empire, but was acting more and more frequently out of self interest and greed and could be lobbied by the highest bidder at many points. Government became less effective as the senate served the wealthy more and more instead of what would help the empire as a whole. The senate became more and more plutocratic which in turn caused military and economic instability.

It was the greed, corruption, and loss of principles of the senators that did all the real damage, had nothing to do with the morals of the average citizen.

Pretty much, corruption at high levels of goverment and the instabilty this created was a massive part of the decline of the Roman Empire.

Another big factor though was actually conservatism, the Romans under Augustus were massively more advanced than the nations they were taking on in norther europe, 400 years latter the gap in terms of weaponry and tactics had narrowed considerably.

If were talking about the Islamic world as well I would argue a big factor in its decline in power was actually when it became more conservative whilst Christian Europe shifted in the opposite direction.

 

[Bornstarch]

You talking shit about my porn?

 

[Cole train]

Moral decays has crushed empires before

Sooo who knows

Btw kingdom of heaven directors cut is awesome

 

[moreorless87]

Moral decays has crushed empires before

Sooo who knows

Btw kingdom of heaven directors cut is awesome

I mean just taking that example Saladin was much less of a religiously conservative than the Crusaders and we saw how that ended.

I would argue a lot of the time what you see is that when an Empire is in decline it becomes more conservative, it needs to exhert greater control on its own population to try and maintain the position of those at the top but this ultimately only speeds up its decline. Those conservatives(who are themselves typically massively immoral behind closed doors) will naturally claim that the immorality of the general population is to blame.

 

[Kdup]

Pretty much, corruption at high levels of goverment and the instabilty this created was a massive part of the decline of the Roman Empire.

Another big factor though was actually conservatism, the Romans under Augustus were massively more advanced than the nations they were taking on in norther europe, 400 years latter the gap in terms of weaponry and tactics had narrowed considerably.

If were talking about the Islamic world as well I would argue a big factor in its decline in power was actually when it became more conservative whilst Christian Europe shifted in the opposite direction.

I would lean to be more conservative than liberal. And this seems like some pretty strange claims, do you have anything to back it up? And the definition of conservative has changed over time, just like liberalism, how can you draw that parallel here? Seems like you are just trying to shit on modern conservatism, which doesn’t bother me, because it is shit, to reinforce your view. I’m open to you changing my mind though.