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In a word, no
it was natural, dempsey had used a "centerline" principle and the vertical fist before bruce had made his name and bruce's home style, wing chun, used a centerline/vertical fist. It must have been a real joy when bruce read what dempsey had written on that. Like, "i knew we had it right".True. Who, ironically, closely studied and relied upon Dempsey.
i was watching an old docu from the 70's called "scared straight" it had a bunch of mid-teen kids, one commenter mentioned that teens back then looked 35, it seemed to be true with those kids at least.Everybody aged like that back then thanks to all the smoking, booze, and working in the sun from an early age.
i was watching an old docu from the 70's called "scared straight" it had a bunch of mid-teen kids, one commenter mentioned that teens back then looked 35, it seemed to be true with those kids at least.
There was a mass exodus to nobsboxing but many arguments ensued, some returned but I guess a few were too proud?wonder what happened to most of them? they couldn't have all gotten banned, and if they did, it doesn't seem that easy to get banned here. I've always had a pretty big mouth and I haven't had problems.
That fight was bullshit, and I don't think really had an affect on either sport.Kinda makes you wonder what would have happened if Milo Savage had brutally KO'd Lebell in their proto MMA fight way back when. It would have been a black eye for Judo, but might also have *slightly* slowed the spread of the TMA styles that would generate the most McDojos in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
That fight was bullshit, and I don't think really had an affect on either sport.
The matching of disciplines had been happening since the early 1900s.
labelle is an interesting guy, a character, seems nice in a lot of ways. I won't call him a liar but his story of throwing bruce lee around on the set of green hornet doesn't necessarily ring true. I wouldn't say it couldn't have happened, but when there are no witnesses and you consider he didn't come out with the story until 1990 or so makes me wonder. And then, there is the issue of whether it was a real fight or just a couple guys palling around, we don't know. Only one party is alive to say it so i kinda put that in the category of sammo hung's story of beating up bruce lee when no one was around. I've been in that situation myself, chocked a coworker after he attacked me, it was stupid, but I reacted the only way i knew how, anyway, he went around saying he threw me on the ground and all this shit and he walked away when i got up and chocked him from behind. men and their stupid egos i tell you. Like Jim Brown once said, that every man you meet wants to kick your ass, it's more or less true.I dont really get why LeBell always only gets mentioned as Judo fighter. Especially in his early days biggest influences were professional wrestlers who were much tougher with real skills back then and always trained with him. Even later after he returned from Japan he still trained catch.
I mean even after his fighting career he managed wrestling. LeBell is the perfect example of someone incorporating wrestling and judo. He is , funny enough, much more diverse in style than lets say Ronda Rousey for example.
If he fought today he would be laughed out the building with the UFC HW title.
i think i've heard about the gay frogs, it's obvious in society, at least the big cities with these bitchy men of all races. Even the thug black kids act like girls, gossipping on their cell phones.That reminds me, I watched a documentary on Bolivian or Peruvian child miners and saw a 16 year old who had been working since before he hit puberty and it was jarring to look at him because he looked like a 16 year old but with noticeable wrinkles on his face. He had to support his family as a child and the stress is evidenced by his wrinkles. I think he smoked which contributes to that too.
Also, besides lifestyle changes from 1918 to 2018, there’s scientific evidence that plastic in the environment is increasing estrogen levels and killing our testosterone levels. You should look it up, I don’t want to make a lengthy post on how plastic is turning the frogs gay on a boxing forum, lol.
labelle is an interesting guy, a character, seems nice in a lot of ways. I won't call him a liar but his story of throwing bruce lee around on the set of green hornet doesn't necessarily ring true. I wouldn't say it couldn't have happened, but when there are no witnesses and you consider he didn't come out with the story until 1990 or so makes me wonder. And then, there is the issue of whether it was a real fight or just a couple guys palling around, we don't know. Only one party is alive to say it so i kinda put that in the category of sammo hung's story of beating up bruce lee when no one was around. I've been in that situation myself, chocked a coworker after he attacked me, it was stupid, but I reacted the only way i knew how, anyway, he went around saying he threw me on the ground and all this shit and he walked away when i got up and chocked him from behind. men and their stupid egos i tell you. Like Jim Brown once said, that every man you meet wants to kick your ass, it's more or less true.
I'm aware of lebelle being a fighter, but I'm also a Bruce Lee disciple, have been for many years. I believe he was a genius, like Dempsey, a creative who jotted down voluminous notes in his spare time. Whether he could beat anyone on the planet when he was alive or not doesn't really matter to meanymore. Of course, those in the know said he did best all the top guys of his day behind closed doors, that doesn't really matter either. yes, i know there were some other guys around who had merit, notably the gracies, these other guys you mention i don't know about. But, I will say this, I've been around boxers, martial artists, pro fighters for a long time and at least with the martial artists, they're all the same, with the same grandiose mentality and it's all "ME" it doesn't matter the style, it doesn't matter if they can really back it up, because it's all the same attitude. The mma'rs used to look down their noses because they fought a couple times a year more than the martial artists, but, the attitude wasn't any different, I know because I was around both and it turned me off. Labelle seems to have that attitude, sounds like Sammo Hung did too, I just hate that attitude. It gets in the way of everyone's growth and that bizarre need for every male to be the alpha male just fucks up things for everyone. You can't work with anyone like that because everyone is so insecure, I've said it many times, i should have stayed in boxing because they are almost always a lot more grounded. And sometimes i wonder about Bruce even, was he like what I hate so much about Martial artists? that every idiot you run into has some sick need to be worshipped? Maybe he was, and after having been close with my mentor, who was his highest ranking instructor, and seeing how he really was, yes, I wonder about Bruce sometimes because if that's the kind of guy he hung around with, not a bad guy but self-deceptive, egotistical and just, in his own sister's words "a loser" in some ways, i wonder about Bruce sometimes to, but usually, i'm too busy being in awe of him. There was only one, maybe he couldn't have taken Helio gracie if they'd crossed paths but that doesn't really matter to me.I dont give a shit about all this Bruce Lee crap and the other exhibition fights. Thats an american phenom to be crazy about some 120lbs guy who fought some bums, made trashy action flicks and whos biggest goal in life was to get rich. If someone really is neutral its very easy to depict all the Lee fairy tales as exactly that. But LeBell was unrelated to that a true mixed martial artist with good skills who influenced ma for the better.
Real pioneers were guys like Bluming and in the 80s all the guys from Netherland wo continued to evolve stand up by mixing styles AND fight.
But US also was an interesting melting pot of ground fighting styles as wrestling/Judo/catch wrestling or cross training/fighting boxing/wrestling and not only since 70s but close to 100 years. Martin Burns, Strangler Lewis...etc But I guess you know all that.
I don't know, until the ufc, martial artists had a great respect for boxing, at least underneath all the bs, they would tell you boxers would be your toughest opponents. That changed overnight with the first ufc. before that, there were stories of boxers fighting martial artists and they were pretty much all the same, boxer would win. Joe Lewis was kayoed in sparring by some canadian boxer, which is what my old mentor told me, it was never really put out though. so, although grappling went under the umbrella of martial arts, most of the arts that were commercially successful were striking arts.Kinda makes you wonder what would have happened if Milo Savage had brutally KO'd Lebell in their proto MMA fight way back when. It would have been a black eye for Judo, but might also have *slightly* slowed the spread of the TMA styles that would generate the most McDojos in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.