Was Brock Lesnar title shot deserved with a 2-1 record?

Was Brock Lesnar title shot deserved with a 2-1 record?

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Takes Two To Tango said:
Obviously, I'm just giving an example that anyone with 2-1 record regardless of hype. It's not deserving of a title shot. The only reason he got is because of his massive popularity.

I understand why they fast tracked him, but it wasn't deserved. That's the point.
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"Anyone with a 2-1 record" is also a false comparison, though.

We are talking about a collegiate HW champ, all American, and beyond the measurables that not every 2-1 guy have, he's an absolute freak of an athlete.
 
Clark Rogers said:
"Anyone with a 2-1 record" is also a false comparison, though.

We are talking about a collegiate HW champ, all American, and beyond the measurables that not every 2-1 guy have, he's an absolute freak of an athlete.
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Yes he looks on paper like a freak of nature indeed. I'm not denying that. The point again was he deserved a title shot with his record? I don't believe so. Needed to prove more in my opinion.

But it's meant to be, he got for other reasons, which is understandable if you want to maximize the UFC profit.
 
Takes Two To Tango said:
That's a fair response, it is what it is. Brock got special treatment, because he was anomaly to be honest. So that's fair.
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I feel Brock got the same treatment as every other fighter who sold as many PPVs as he did.

I have to disagree a little bit that a true rookie getting a ranked veteran opponent in his debut is the layup gimme you're making it out to be. Following that up with Mir only shows me the UFC wasn't protecting him.

You can't have a mega star like Brock and put him with other rookies. Look what that did to Bo Nickal. You're losing money if Brock isn't in big name money fights. That's actually detrimental to his development. Brock was never a long term plan, gotta strike while the iron is hot.

But again....everytime you ignore records in favor of chasing the dollar, you devalue the title.
 
Tito Tapped said:
I feel Brock got the same treatment as every other fighter who sold as many PPVs as he did.

I have to disagree a little bit that a true rookie getting a ranked veteran opponent in his debut is the layup gimme you're making it out to be. Following that up with Mir only shows me the UFC wasn't protecting him.

You can't have a mega star like Brock and put him with other rookies. Look what that did to Bo Nickal. You're losing money if Brock isn't in big name money fights. That's actually detrimental to his development. Brock was never a long term plan, gotta strike while the iron is hot.

But again....everytime you ignore records in favor of chasing the dollar, you devalue the title.
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Again fair response, you make great points. Can't really argue with you about it.

Btw what was Mir rank at the time? If he was in the top 5, I think in a sense they gave someone like him hoping for a win, but obviously didn't work out the first time. So Herring was an easier target, they sort of made a mistake by putting Lesnar with Mir off the bat.

But you never know in a fight anything can happen, especially at HW. If Lesnar won than all the power to him.
 
No, he deserved the belt earlier. Randy was dicking around his contract, so Brock vs Herring should have been for the vacant belt.













../s obviously
 
People forget that Randy was the OG Ngannou, trying to fight to leave for a big fight with Fedor. Brock was the carrot to get him back in the UFC. So you weren't going to get anyone else, Couture didn't care about Big Nog while he was interim.

People want to shit on Brock getting a titleshot for beating Herring, yet that's the only fight Big Nog won in the UFC at the time for an interim title shot. If Randy was just released, they would've done Mir vs Big Nog for the belt and Brock would've fought Sylvia then Mir after he beat Nog for the belt.

So it's really only 1 more fight. The only decent ranked guy got wrestled for 5 rounds by Randy, people didn't give a fuck to see him wrestled by Brock to "prove he was ready". So basically the end result would've been the same.
 
just because it worked (kind of) doesn't make it deserved. obviously not.
 
VAfan said:
just because it worked (kind of) doesn't make it deserved. obviously not.
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There are so many "undeserved" title shots, that it's kinda pointless to put a spotlight in this one, though. It's a business at the end of the day.
 
Brock didn't deserve it but it didn't matter because he was a much bigger draw than any other HW. That's what happens when fans pay to see you significantly more than others, you get special treatment.

Looking at that pic, seeing as Brock is listed at 6'3, no fucking way Randy is 6'1 lol that's like 5'11 at best
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
No, he deserved the belt earlier. Randy was dicking around his contract, so Brock vs Herring should have been for the vacant belt.
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Sarcasm aside, they did actually schedule a fight for the interim title between Mir and Carwin(I think) in Randy's absence, so it's not like Brock just leapfrogged everyone. It just fell into place when Randy came back.
 
"Deserves" in a business sense: yes. He was, at the very least, a somewhat viable contender, who was guaranteed to sell big numbers.

"Deserves" based on his mma resume: no. A fighter with a 1-1 UFC record(2-1 mma record), is not nearly up to what the UFC claims its standards are.
 
Randy Fandy Fo Fanders said:
If he was a no-name fighter who had to work his way up the rankings, he would’ve gotten exposed much sooner and the UFC would have missed out on millions of dollars and significant promotional opportunities.

Brock did not like getting punched in the face. I still think he would’ve done very well in MMA. Given his size, strength, and wrestling. But his notoriety obviously boosted him to the top of the rankings very quickly.
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Exposed? lol what a tool
 
m249viking said:
Exposed? lol what a tool
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Yes, like Frank Mir exposed his lack of submission defense, Velasquez exposed his chin, and Overeem exposed his inability to take a kick.

If he actually had a road to the title, he never would have even gotten a title shot.

You dum dum
 
At that point in time? Yes, he deserved it. Unfortunate that Cro-Cop didn’t also come right in to a title shot.
 
No, but the the company was still struggling at that point and needed to sell PPVs. Lesnar was a big name and brought alot of new eyeballs with his crossover appeal from pro wrestling. He was also a unique athlete and a physical freak.
 
Randy Fandy Fo Fanders said:
Yes, like Frank Mir exposed his lack of submission defense, Velasquez exposed his chin, and Overeem exposed his inability to take a kick.

If he actually had a road to the title, he never would have even gotten a title shot.

You dum dum
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I'm not a huge Brock fan, but losing to all time greats like Cain and Overeem is far from being exposed.

He did about as good as anyone who started training MMA at nearly 30 could.
 
It's worth noting that Mir and Big Nog were tied up with The Ultimate Fighter when Lesnar got his title shot, and none of the remaining "options" were actually good choices for a title shot (Gonzaga? 2008 Werdum? Seriously?). When there are no legitimate contenders available, making the spectacle fight is just fine.
 
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