War Room Lounge v94: I'd need to ice up when I wasn't pounding cakes in that kitchen

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https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/157799593/@Lowmanproblems perhaps, but:

I wonder if anyone has noticed that Trump has just demonstrated he can cause a war whenever he wants so if you want to avoid it you better play nice. Call it the "Let the wookie win" scenario.

What ever other qualities Trump may lack, his tactical game is idiot-savant level.

There be some clowns in that thread.
This guy...
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/157842027/ No source bullshit claim. Pissbelt. Doesn't allow himself to be tagged or got banned. Shertard trifecta.

He has been around a long time and I was surprised by the way he was posting to say the least.

 

[curryjunkie]

that iran thread ...

 

[Trotsky]

 

[Islam Imamate]

I don't think I have criteria or a formula. The Exorcist is my favorite of all-time, and I think the third film is very good as well. Psycho II is my most underrated of all-time and also my pick for "best twists." I guess cinematographic innovation and tragic elements are what I most appreciate. I thought the first Paranormal Activity movie was really good on those fronts. The original (non-US) ending was something I really appreciated.

I remember when I first saw The Exorcist I didn't expect it to have much impact because a lot of the iconic scares are endlessly parodied in media since then.

Boy was I wrong, what a ride that was. Definitely in my top 5 horror films, holds up surprisingly well even to this day.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[Trotsky]

Definitive, beyond-discussion rankings of The Office main characters:

1. Michael Scott
2. Dwight Schrute
3. Kevin Malone
4. Meredith Palmer
5. Andy Bernard
6. Oscar Martinez
7. Gabe Lewis
8. Clark Green
9. Jim Halpert
10. Phyllis Vance
11. Toby Flenderson
12. Stanley Hudson
13. Darryl Philbin
14. Creed Bratton
15. Kelly Kapoor
16. Pam Beesly
17. Angela Martin
18. Ryan Howard
19. Robert California
20. Erin Hannon
21. Pete Miller
22. Nellie Bertram

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Definitive, beyond-discussion rankings of The Office main characters:

1. Michael Scott
2. Dwight Schrute
3. Kevin Malone
4. Meredith Palmer
5. Andy Bernard
6. Oscar Martinez
7. Gabe Lewis
8. Clark Green
9. Jim Halpert
10. Phyllis Vance
11. Toby Flenderson
12. Stanley Hudson
13. Darryl Philbin
14. Creed Bratton
15. Kelly Kapoor
16. Pam Beesly
17. Angela Martin
18. Ryan Howard
19. Robert California
20. Erin Hannon
21. Nellie Bertram
22. Pete Miller
23. Nellie Bertram

Toby and Creed are too low imo. Stanley and Darryl too. All four of those are easily in my top ten.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Dude is a shitheel and a troll.

@Da Speeit was a great contributor to the HWs. Good poster and a good guy, but kind of trolly, yeah. The WR isn't his thing, and the claim in that post was--yikes. Wrong by a lot.

 

[Lord Coke]

So I've been reading about Austrlia and I am no scientist but it seems like the reasoning of the various parties is really flawed almost like people don't understand things can be cause by more than one thing. I don't know if either of the first two things impacted the fires or to what extent they were cause by arsonists but

Assuming Climate change impacted the scope of the fires that does not mean banning controlled burns did not impact them either.

Assuming regulating controlled burns impacted the scope of the fires that does not mean climate change did not impact things either.

Even if it was caused by arson that does not mean climate change or government interference with controlled burns did not aggravate the situation

I just keep seeing some bad logic even assuming everything a given side is arguing is true

@Ruprecht is there any validity to what I am reading about your government making controlled burns really hard to do and that impacting the scope of the fires?

What about this idea?
https://www.insurancejournal.com/ne...WJJmkndeTQVN_e8eN5SxDW9al7zvazga_oQN6x7qaYxQM

Australia’s indigenous people say the bushfire-ravaged country is paying the price for ignoring their expertise in managing the ecology of the world’s-driest inhabited continent.

The fires have already burned more than 6 million acres — an area the size of Massachusetts — and caused smoke haze to blanket Sydney and other cities. With a deepening drought suggesting there’s no end in sight to the crisis, indigenous fire practitioner Victor Steffensen is calling for a radical change in how the land is managed.

“The Western mindset is always about dealing with problems while they’re doing damage — it’s reactive,” Steffensen, 46, said from Cairns in the nation’s far northeast. “If we can use our way, these types of fires will never get the chance to start.”

Australia typically relies on reducing fuel loads in bush land through controlled burns during cooler winter months, placing a priority on land surrounding residential areas.

This year, those preventative efforts have proven to be fatally inadequate as the fire season got off to a ferocious and early start due to tinder-box conditions. Dozens of blazes, usually caused by lightning strikes, quickly got out of control, often in remote areas which firefighters found difficult to access.

“We need to be accepting the fact that climate change is real.”
Indigenous fire practitioner @V_Steffensen says there’s a 60,000-year-old way to help stop Australia burning. More @business: https://t.co/CN4ynbGVIG #bushfires pic.twitter.com/gJgW8sk7Uf
— QuickTake by Bloomberg (@QuickTake) Dec. 17, 2019

Six Australians have been killed and the deaths of more than 2,000 koalas in New South Wales state alone have sparked concern that the species is being pushed toward extinction.

The indigenous approach is to manage the landscape with so-called “cool, slow” controlled burns often conducted at night. They’re designed to reduce dangerous fuel loads of scrub and fallen timber on forest floors, and incrementally tackle large tracts of land with multiple small-scale burns. Such an approach is more labor intensive and takes longer. But the lower intensity and slow progress of the fire gives animals chance to escape and protects the forest canopy.

“Indigenous burns are done over smaller areas at lower intensities,” said Justin Leonard, who has spent two decades studying the risks from bushfires to life and infrastructure with the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation. “The innate lesson they provide is we will never defeat fire in this country, so we have to use it as a tool and adapt.”

As this year’s fires destroy millions of dollars of property and choke the inhabitants of Sydney, anger has been directed at the conservative government, with accusations that policies supporting the coal industry and refusing to punish greenhouse-gas polluters may be exacerbating climate change.

Natural Disaster and Emergency Management Minister David Littleproud has ordered a parliamentary inquiry to develop a national approach on reducing fuel loads and is calling for proponents of indigenous land management techniques to make submissions.

“There’s thousands of years of experience that we need to tap into,” Littleproud told reporters last week. “We’ve been ignorant to that.”

The bushfire problem is getting worse. A trend toward longer dry seasons has reduced the time available for preventative burning in cooler months by regional fire services that are often staffed by volunteers.

With limited time and resources, firefighters focus their efforts on land close to residential areas. Their back-burns are typically conducted at a higher intensity, with bigger areas of forest burning faster and hotter — creating a scorched earth buffer near neighborhoods but destroying more flora and fauna in the process. More remote areas are less likely to be tackled, leading to a build up of fuel that can cause catastrophic blazes in dry years.

The hazards of such a strategy were shown at the weekend when fire services lost control of a back-burn in the Blue Mountains west of Sydney, resulting in the loss of at least 20 buildings.

For the first Australians, whose culture traces back at least 60,000 years, fire is central to their way of life, an important spiritual symbol as well as a tool for hunting, cooking and warmth. Many of their traditional ways of managing the land were swept away after the arrival of British settlers and convicts in 1788. In the years that followed, the indigenous people were forced from their land and their cultural beliefs were often held in disdain by white Australians. They remain the poorest and most disadvantaged group in Australian society.

Steffensen says expanding indigenous fire-management practices could help provide employment as trainers and reduce welfare dependence. He’d like to see other traditional practices adopted too, in areas such as land management, natural medicines and water conservation.

“All these government departments, environmentalists, national parks, farmers and pastoralists have the best intentions but they all have their different interests,” said Steffensen, who founded Firesticks, a company that provides workshops on indigenous back-burning techniques. “Doing it our way on a continent-wide scale would be costly and take up a lot of working hours, but in the long run it could save billions,” he said.

In the meantime, there’s little sign of the rains needed to quench the fires. The national weather forecaster predicts drier-than-average conditions for the nation’s east until at least March.

“This fire season started earlier than normal and it’s long, protracted and testing,” said New South Wales Rural Fire Service spokesman Ben Shepherd. “It’s touched many communities that haven’t seen fires in decades.”

He said the fire service has worked with indigenous fire organizations and sees their value.

“It adds to the suite of hazard reduction-methods we use,” he said. “We know not everything is about back-burning — we need to consider local ecology. We’ll look at anything that helps give us the upper hand.”

Photograph: Firefighters work to contain a bushfire in Old Bar, Saturday, Nov. 9, 2019. Photographer: Darren Pateman/AAP Image via AP.

 

[Trotsky]

I remember when I first saw The Exorcist I didn't expect it to have much impact because a lot of the iconic scares are endlessly parodied in media since then.

Boy was I wrong, what a ride that was. Definitely in my top 5 horror films, holds up surprisingly well even to this day.

The big division on reception, as far as I can tell, is religiosity. If you were raised religious, it's scarier and more profound, more faith-challenging and faith-affirming at the same time. But more than anything I just think it's a really well-made film. And Ellen Burstyn is always incredible.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Definitive, beyond-discussion rankings of The Office main characters:

1. Michael Scott
2. Dwight Schrute
3. Kevin Malone
4. Meredith Palmer
5. Andy Bernard
6. Oscar Martinez
7. Gabe Lewis
8. Clark Green
9. Jim Halpert
10. Phyllis Vance
11. Toby Flenderson
12. Stanley Hudson
13. Darryl Philbin
14. Creed Bratton
15. Kelly Kapoor
16. Pam Beesly
17. Angela Martin
18. Ryan Howard
19. Robert California
20. Erin Hannon
21. Nellie Bertram
22. Pete Miller
23. Nellie Bertram

Pam over Angela? Meredith in the top 5 while Creed is outside the top 10? Gabe in the top 10? Just seems way off to me but to be fair I haven't yet finished The Office yet. I think I have like two or three seasons left.

 

[Gregolian]

Pam over Angela? Meredith in the top 5 while Creed is outside the top 10? Gabe in the top 10? Just seems way off to me but to be fair I haven't yet finished The Office yet. I think I have like two or three seasons left.

Creed is fucking top tier.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The big division on reception, as far as I can tell, is religiosity. If you were raised religious, it's scarier and more profound, more faith-challenging and faith-affirming at the same time. But more than anything I just think it's a really well-made film. And Ellen Burstyn is always incredible.

Yeah I have heard that as well, they say church attendance skyrocketed after the film came out but who knows how true that is.

I wasn't really that religious at the time I saw it though. I think if you had asked me then if I believed in G-d I probably would've said yes but it wasn't something that I thought much about, in fact I was always the least religious in my family growing up. Its still haunted me though, I think that's due to it just being a well made film like you said. I liked the movie so much I went ahead and read the book afterwards and I rarely read fiction.

 

[Higus]

Happens all the time, just not usually in a press release. I know a lot of people that became focused in their work because they find their family dynamic more complicated and less personally fulfilling.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Creed is fucking top tier.

I can understand not ranking him too high since he doesn't get much screen time but every time he does appear I crack up.

"Nobody steals from Creed Bratton. The last person to do that was...Creed Bratton"

 

[Gregolian]

Happens all the time, just not usually in a press release. I know a lot of people that became focused in their work because they find their family dynamic more complicated and less personally fulfilling.

Change family dynamic to "living dynamic" and you're describing me.

Really debating getting a second job as like a gun range sweeper (cleaning up the left over brass) or working in the shop helping put stuff together to get out of my house as much as possible cause I hate my living situation so much.

 

[Trotsky]

Pam over Angela? Meredith in the top 5 while Creed is outside the top 10? Gabe in the top 10? Just seems way off to me but to be fair I haven't yet finished The Office yet. I think I have like two or three seasons left.

Toby and Creed are too low imo. Stanley and Darryl too. All four of those are easily in my top ten.

Haha. It's definitely not really beyond debate or objective at all.

Angela never made me laugh and Gabe is the most underrated character in the series. That actor has some comedic talent.

Creed, Stanley, and Toby all became pretty painfully un-funny the last few seasons when their characters got made more wacky. To be fair, so did Kevin, but he gets buoyed by being one of the lol-worthy for the first six or so.

Also, best thing about The Office: like Seinfeld, the bloopers are just as funny as the real thing. Here's one where Dwight and Jim can't keep a straight face while Gabe is improving hilariously (timestamped):

 

[Rational Poster]

So I've been reading about Austrlia and I am no scientist but it seems like the reasoning of the various parties is really flawed almost like people don't understand things can be cause by more than one thing. I don't know if any of these things cause the fires but

Assuming Climate change impacted the scope of the fires that does not mean banning controlled burns did not impact them either.

Assuming regulating controlled burns impacted the scope of the fires that does not mean climate change did not impact things either.

Even if it was caused by arson that does not mean climate change or government interference with controlled burns did not aggravate the situation

I just keep seeing some bad logic even assuming everything a given side is arguing is true

@Ruprecht is there any validity to what I am reading about your government making controlled burns really hard to do and that impacting the scope of the fires?

What about this idea?
https://www.insurancejournal.com/ne...WJJmkndeTQVN_e8eN5SxDW9al7zvazga_oQN6x7qaYxQM

Now you know how I feel talking to conservative posters on this site about literally anything.

 

[Gregolian]

I can understand not ranking him too high since he doesn't get much screen time but every time he does appear I crack up.

"Nobody steals from Creed Bratton. The last person to do that was...Creed Bratton"

I will be honest, Dwight's "oh fuck" moment at the party has been fucking stellar for memes but Creed is one of my favorites in the show.


Someone put like NVGs and a ballistic helmet on Dwight and had a creepy Russian dude in a full head gas mask from a game on Angela's body yelling "BLYAT" for one and it was great.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Creed is fucking top tier.

Absolutely