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War Room Lounge v94: I'd need to ice up when I wasn't pounding cakes in that kitchen

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That's how I feel, very overrated film IMO. Its one of those films that while I may not have enjoyed it I can at least appreciate what the director was trying to do and it gave me the impression that he has potential and so I look forward to seeing Midsommar.

Well, it's just true or pure horror is how I see it tbh. No camp, humor, or fun thrills. Except there are no heroic overtones like The Exorcist. It's just bleak. Which has artistic value (far more than entertainment-focused horror) but isn't something I want to see.

As I understand it, Midsommar is thematically similar, except, obviously, shot in daylight.
 
Have they lost moral authority in comparison to guys like Alex Jones or Mark Dice, though?

I think most people would still pick CNN or whatever over them, even if they did so while holding onto their noses.

If CNN called Clinton a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile, I'd imagine that it carried a lot more weight than some guy on the internet saying it.
In the eyes of Trump's base, yes almost certainly. Its not as if they believe everything the likes of Dice and Jones say, its that they believe them to the extent that they discredit the media. So the end result is a world where there is no truly objective, unbiased news source but rather just us vs them so don't worry so much about the specific truth value of this or that claim but rather worry about what agenda the claim is supposed to advance. So that means that even a truthful claim is doubted and a clearly false claim endorsed because the former might be advancing the wrong agenda(i.e. the "Cultural Marxists") and the latter the right agenda(i.e. MAGA).
 
Well, it's just true or pure horror is how I see it tbh. No camp, humor, or fun thrills. Except there are no heroic overtones like The Exorcist. It's just bleak. Which has artistic value (far more than entertainment-focused horror) but isn't something I want to see.

As I understand it, Midsommar is thematically similar, except, obviously, shot in daylight.
It didn't really even scare me too much though it had good atmosphere. The most disturbing part was the part with the pole and the car and stuff. That scene haunted me, compared to that the rest of the film didn't bother me at all. Honestly I thought the premise was kind of silly and the ending was pretty meh for me. And I just hated that fucking son, such a little shithead that I didn't care what happened to him at all. This is a personal pet peeve of mine but shitty siblings in movies and TV piss me off and that kid was a terrible older brother so he could get fucked for all I care.
 
In the eyes of Trump's base, yes almost certainly. Its not as if they believe everything the likes of Dice and Jones say, its that they believe them to the extent that they discredit the media. So the end result is a world where there is no truly objective, unbiased news source but rather just us vs them so don't worry so much about the specific truth value of this or that claim but rather worry about what agenda the claim is supposed to advance. So that means that even a truthful claim is doubted and a clearly false claim endorsed because the former might be advancing the wrong agenda(i.e. the "Cultural Marxists") and the latter the right agenda(i.e. MAGA).

How big is this "Trump's base"? Obviously not a majority of the population.

To the majority of the population, CNN, WaPo, NY Times, etc. hold more weight than Alex Jones.

If we measured the impact of New York Times or Washington Post calling someone a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile, to Alex Jones calling someone a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile, I'd reckon that the former would be deemed as far more damaging than the latter.

Trump's base were never going to vote for Hillary anyway, so I don't see how it damaged her that they circulated conspiracies and memes about her, amongst themselves. Much like someone such as Louise Mensch or Avenatti circulating rumours about Trump, doesn't really damage him amongst his base. They've already made up their mind, so some untrustworthy operator talking crap about "their guy" doesn't really concern them.

What such things actually contribute negatively towards, are the polarization of debate, inability for the two parties to compromise, and entrenchment. But I don't see it as having a significant impact on winning or losing an election.
 
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How big is this "Trump's base"? Obviously not a majority of the population.

To the majority of the population, CNN, WaPo, NY Times, etc. hold more weight than Alex Jones.

If we measured the impact of New York Times or Washington Post calling someone a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile, to Alex Jones calling someone a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile, I'd reckon that the former would be deemed as far more damaging than the latter.
His base isn't the majority of the population but obviously you don't need the majority to win an election. Look at how quickly the Trumpettes in the WR dismiss any link from CNN right off the bat. Enough of those people in the right places and you can take an election.

But sure the MSM still have more moral authority than random CT channels. But those channels don't need to individually have more authority, they just need to undermine the MSM just enough. After that you get a Balkanization of media consumption where everyone creates their own media bubbles. That was facilitated by social media. So even if the MSM sources individually have more authority than individual content creators like Jones or Dice, in general people will trust what their bubbles feed them whether that's from Dice or Shapiro or what have you. There's countless flavors of "independent" media and not only do you have your pick of them but they come to you through the algorithms that govern social media sites like Facebook and YT.

And like I said that negative media coverage for Trump backfired IMO. I think it was the CEO of MSNBC who said that Trump may be bad for America but he's good for the network. Trump's ability to bring in ratings granted him special privileges. He was getting phone interviews on air and his podium was getting more air time than some of the other candidates.
 
His base isn't the majority of the population but obviously you don't need the majority to win an election. Look at how quickly the Trumpettes in the WR dismiss any link from CNN right off the bat. Enough of those people in the right places and you can take an election.

How big of a pool of voters are we talking about, though? A dozen guys on an internet forum?

The way I see it, people are taking their experience of a fringe, and attributing a much greater level of influence to that fringe, than is actually occurring in reality, because of the disproportionate amount of time that they themselves are spending amongst that fringe group.

The truth is that if you interviewed random people about whether they believe Hillary to be a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile who sacrifices to Satan, or whether they believe that Trump is a white nationalist, a Russian agent and a possible rapist, you'd probably find that the latter is a much more credible, mainstream belief amongst people, than the former.

But sure the MSM still have more moral authority than random CT channels. But those channels don't need to individually have more authority, they just need to undermine the MSM just enough. After that you get a Balkanization of media consumption where everyone creates their own media bubbles. That was facilitated by social media. So even if the MSM sources individually have more authority than individual content creators like Jones or Dice, in general people will trust what their bubbles feed them whether that's from Dice or Shapiro or what have you. There's countless flavors of "independent" media and not only do you have your pick of them but they come to you through the algorithms that govern social media sites like Facebook and YT.

If MSM is undermined by an Alex Jones or a Mark Dice to a significant degree, then they must not be doing a very good job.

I would argue that MSM has discredited itself in many regards, which is indicated by your next statement.

And like I said that negative media coverage for Trump backfired IMO. I think it was the CEO of MSNBC who said that Trump may be bad for America but he's good for the network. Trump's ability to bring in ratings granted him special privileges. He was getting phone interviews on air and his podium was getting more air time than some of the other candidates.

This is true, and this is why I don't think that such "smear campaigns" necessarily win or lose an election. All publicity can be good publicity, depending on how you make use of it, and Trump was an expert in making use of it. In fact, an old trick in politics was to spread untruthful rumours about yourself, to put further doubt into claims that may have actually been truthful and legitimately damaging. De-sensitizing people to the rumor-mill, can actually have a positive effect on a politician's career, granting them a layer of "immunity" to scandals that few others possess.

I would not say that the negative coverage back-fired though, but rather, it accomplished exactly what it intended to do, which was to put more money in the media's pockets. Making Trump win or lose an election wasn't a concern, the only concern was to have Trump in the head-lines every single day until people grew sick of it.

Anyone who felt like the mainstream media was an "ally" of theirs in having done so, must've a gullible jack-ass of epic proportions.
 
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How big of a pool of voters are we talking about, though? A dozen guys on an internet forum?

The way I see it, people are taking their experience of a fringe, and attributing a much greater level of influence to that fringe, than is actually occurring in reality, because of the disproportionate amount of time that they themselves are spending amongst that fringe group.

The truth is that if you interviewed random people about whether they believe Hillary to be a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile who sacrifices to Satan, or whether they believe that Trump is a white nationalist, a Russian agent and a possible rapist, you'd probably find that the latter is a much more credible, mainstream belief amongst people, than the former.
You don't have to go very far to the fringe to find people who believe in Clinton conspiracies. The craziest of them sure, like the Pizzagate thing. But her and her husband have been the target of such things since the 90s. Dice and Jones are the names we've been referencing but far more powerful is talk radio which is overwhelmingly dominated by conservatives like Rush Limbaugh. Of course those types of stories are also echoed by FOX. The likes of Dice and Jones are for those whoa re far down the internet rabbithole but you needn't go that far to find venom against Clinton. And the combination of FOX news and talk radio has massive reach, more so than CNN and MSNBC since conservatives tend to rely more heavily on them while liberals are more likely to rely on a wider swath of news sources.
If MSM is undermined by an Alex Jones or a Mark Dice to a significant degree, then they must not be doing a very good job.

I would argue that MSM has discredited itself in many regards, which is indicated by your next statement.
Goes back to the 90s with Rush Limbaugh, Dice and Jones are just the most recent incarnation of such a thing and they service their own niche but they have their predecessors who have a wider audience.

But yes I do think they discredited themselves. For instance, there's the whole debacle with Amber Lyon and the iRevolution documentary on Bahrain which CNN only aired once after receiving complaints from the Bahrain PR machine. They also laid off their investigative journalism team shortly afterwards.
This is true, and this is why I don't think that such "smear campaigns" necessarily win or lose an election. All publicity can be good publicity, depending on how you make use of it, and Trump was an expert in making use of it. In fact, an old trick in politics was to spread untruthful rumours about yourself, to put furtherdoubt into claims that may have actually been truthful. De-sensitizing people to the rumor-mill, can actually have a positive effect on a politician's career.

I would not say that the negative coverage back-fired though, but rather, it accomplished exactly what it intended to do, which was to put more money in the media's pockets. Making Trump win or lose an election wasn't a concern, the only concern was to have Trump in the head-lines every single day until people grew sick of it.
Well backfired in that it didn't undermine Trump as it was supposed to. But yes ultimately the goal is to make money as evidenced by the aforementioned comment by the MSNBC executive.

I do think the smear campaign against Clinton obviously hurt her but guess what, so did her own track record. She voted for the disastrous Iraq War and she was one of the primary architects of the disastrous Libya intervention. Obama also faced the full brunt of the conservative smear machine and while to be fair he wasn't in its sights as long as Clinton was he is also a black man with the middle name Hussein and yet he was still able to overcome it and win.
 
CZ 9mm all day. I have a 75, it’s my favorite. If I were you I’d save some money and go with that.

The only thing is that I'm like a week away from owning an MPX-K, so part of me is wondering if I shouldn't mix up calibers. Another 9mm would be a quick turnaround from the MPX.

Plus let's be real, the 1911 is pure Americana. And I'd only get it in .45, despite everyone pushing 10mm out the ass lol.
 
The only thing is that I'm like a week away from owning an MPX-K, so part of me is wondering if I shouldn't mix up calibers. Another 9mm would be a quick turnaround from the MPX.

Plus let's be real, the 1911 is pure Americana. And I'd only get it in .45, despite everyone pushing 10mm out the ass lol.

I love the 1911, but I prefer 9mm over 45. Just a preference, partially due to capacity. One benefit of staying within the caliber is that you only have to stockpile one caliber.

But let’s be real, the 1911 is probably the coolest gun in a number of ways. So I totally understand why people like them.
 
Another is a dream where I'm still in college and it's week 4 of a 10 week trimester and I haven't been to any classes or done any assignments
this has been frequent for me recently and i can feel the anxiety so vividly in my sleep
 
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