War Room Lounge v78: Figure someone will make a thread eventually.

[Higus]

Isn't he making the exact same argument liberals make about Facebook/twitter?

lol this is a good example of someone knowing (or in this case understanding) enough to be dangerous. You recognize the argument, but don't understand what it is actually about.

 

[Prokofievian]

That's what that means!? I thought you were hitting on me by saying: Fully Open / (bring the) KY

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I'll take "Or whatever"

I rather grab a drink with Beto or Booker. They are desperate for votes so I bet I could get them to do funny shit after a few drinks ...and make them pay the tab

 

[Higus]

Please God, no. JVS versus Cubo on Warren's 30 year old employment history is like watching Nick Diaz spar with Nate Diaz. Fun at first, but nobody every quits. The fucking mats are cleaned and the lights are shut off and they're still taunting and slapping and giving everyone else teh staph infection.

Ugh, it wasn't even that fun to watch. It was a frustratingly pedantic argument that was fought with an intensity and persistence completely detached from how low stakes it should have been.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

He said that in his first tweet, I was referring to his second tweet.

Yeah but his second tweet was still in the context of his first one. The totality is that he’s calling it treason and saying they should be arrested for that.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Yeah, this is bullshit.

Accuracy/truthfulness has never stopped his criticisms and does not govern their reception.

I'm looking beyond Trumpism.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

<Lmaoo>

Come on, man, you are lending undeserved credence to the most obviously baseless narrative in American political life. The media's reporting and framing of issues was already fundamentally right-leaning because of existing distributions of political power and voice, the nature of corporate media, and a whole host of other issues related to power, but Trump and his followers' problems were that they weren't biased enough in their favor. They were always going to look for some disingenuous argument about bias to feed their persecution complex, and they've shown there is no floor on their intellectual dishonesty. They will outright deny facts and call them lies.

If the media were truly objective and unbiased - to the extent that is practicable - Trump would have had ever the more footing.

I'm not talking right vs. left.

How do you imagine Trump having more footing with a truly objective and unbiased press? Was there a typo in there?

 

[Limbo Pete]

Ugh, it wasn't even that fun to watch. It was a frustratingly pedantic argument that was fought with an intensity and persistence completely detached from how low stakes it should have been.

ACCURATE POST IS ACCURATE

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Yeah but his second tweet was still in the context of his first one. The totality is that he’s calling it treason and saying they should be arrested for that.

Well that's what you're choosing to focus on, sure.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Ugh, it wasn't even that fun to watch. It was a frustratingly pedantic argument that was fought with an intensity and persistence completely detached from how low stakes it should have been.

He interpreted me saying that two statements were the same statement as saying that they were logically equivalent rather than two parts of one whole. An understandable error but one that had the effect of completely changing the point. I corrected him three times, and he continued to insist that my position was not what it was. Meanwhile, he also accused me of misrepresenting his position, but refused to clarify when I asked, and continued to insist that I was deliberately misrepresenting him.

So, as you can see, your memory is faulty.

But seriously, I think it was pretty low.

 

[Higus]

I'm looking beyond Trumpism.

You can't.
If someone is upset about a perceived media liberal bias, you would expect them to move towards more objective channels. If instead they move towards blatantly far right media, the obvious take away is that their problem wasn't that the media was biased but rather that the media did not conform to their biases. Its like offering a junk food addict the choice between a nutritious meal prepared by a 3-star chef or a Dominoes Pizza.

 

[Trotsky]

I'm not talking right vs. left.

How do you imagine Trump having more footing with a truly objective and unbiased press? Was there a typo in there?

Because a truly objective and unbiased press would be way, way less favorable to him. They would report on and make a big deal out of all his countless instances of corruption and ineptitude, and they wouldn't slobber all over him when he meets the bare minimum standards of adult decency like reading a speech without childish insults or nonsensical statements.

 

[Sketch]

He interpreted me saying that two statements were the same statement as saying that they were logically equivalent rather than two parts of one whole. An understandable error but one that had the effect of completely changing the point. I corrected him three times, and he continued to insist that my position was not what it was. Meanwhile, he also accused me of misrepresenting his position, but refused to clarify when I asked, and continued to insist that I was deliberately misrepresenting him.

So, as you can see, your memory is faulty.

But seriously, I think it was pretty low.

@Cubo de Sangre

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Because a truly objective and unbiased press would be way, way less favorable to him. They would report on and make a big deal out of all his countless instances of corruption and ineptitude, and they wouldn't slobber all over him when he meets the bare minimum standards of adult decency like reading a speech without childish insults or nonsensical statements.

yeah, so how would that provide him more footing?

 

[My Spot]

Because a truly objective and unbiased press would be way, way less favorable to him. They would report on and make a big deal out of all his countless instances of corruption and ineptitude, and they wouldn't slobber all over him when he meets the bare minimum standards of adult decency like reading a speech without childish insults or nonsensical statements.

Wouldn't you say that stopping a girl from getting date raped is the bare minimum?

 

[Trotsky]

yeah, so how would that provide him more footing?

Because he would have even more to point to as evidence of bias against him and against conservatives.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

@Cubo de Sangre

If that's about Pocohontas it's all on record, except for the couple posts a mod deleted where Jack got personal.

 

[Jack V Savage]

If that's about Pocohontas it's all on record, except for the couple posts a mod deleted where Jack got personal.

As far as I recall, only one of my posts was deleted, and it was a joke (callback to the other one), not personal.

 

[Higus]

He interpreted me saying that two statements were the same statement as saying that they were logically equivalent rather than two parts of one whole. An understandable error but one that had the effect of completely changing the point. I corrected him three times, and he continued to insist that my position was not what it was. Meanwhile, he also accused me of misrepresenting his position, but refused to clarify when I asked, and continued to insist that I was deliberately misrepresenting him.

So, as you can see, your memory is faulty.

But seriously, I think it was pretty low.

I don't remember the details, but IIRC, I came away from that argument with the sense that you made your point and he refused to acknowledge it or tried to twist it into something it wasn't. I've argued with him about other topics in the past, and those kinds of tactics sometimes par for the course.
As an observer, I might have agreed with you, but it was frustrating to read. I called out the bad faith and moved on rather than spend the effort trying to get your point across.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

You can't.
If someone is upset about a perceived media liberal bias, you would expect them to move towards more objective channels. If instead they move towards blatantly far right media, the obvious take away is that their problem wasn't that the media was biased but rather that the media did not conform to their biases. Its like offering a junk food addict the choice between a nutritious meal prepared by a 3-star chef or a Dominoes Pizza.

I can't look beyond Trumpism? That's an odd and pessimistic thing to say.
Who would the 3-Star Chef be in this scenario? I'd assume the NYT, who had to rededicate themselve to honesty after Trump was elected. There is an entire niche of media born of the unreliability and bias of the MSM.