War Room Lounge v70: You have to give it a new name...

Who is your favorite Neverending Story character (from the film)? Choose up to ONE.

  • Bastian, bested by jelly jars and fat bullies

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  • Childlike Empress, still better than Trump

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  • Whooshwoozool the Bat Rider, silly enough without commentary

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  • The Bookkeeper was kind of a creep

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Had a dangerous thought the other day. I'd like some thoughts. @Lead or other mods, feel free to take it down if you see fit

Suppose there is a clinic in your neighborhood that people bring their newborns and toddlers to. Inside, the staff euthanize the otherwise healthy children and dispose the bodies, and the parents walk out free to carry on their day. This happens hundreds of times per week. You call the cops and beg them to do something, but they tell you that the clinic is perfectly legal. You call your local representatives, but they blow you off. If that was what you truly believed was happening, then committing a terrorist act to blow up the clinic or kill the staff, or anyone else that enables it *could* be a rational and moral response.

So why don't attacks on abortion clinics happen more often? I try to say this without trying to diminish the danger clinicians and politicians and activists truly face, but if it was really as dire and gruesome as the pro-life side claimed, you would expect the response to be proportionally as bad. I can only think of a few reasons: First, and most probable imo, is because equating fetuses with living babies is a rhetorical tactic and the people use disingenuously; they know if they break kayfabe, it will crack the pillar of their argument. A second reason is that some people are true believers but they lack the conviction to do what they believe is right.

So here's the dangerous part: If you point out the contradiction, there is a small chance that someone would come to the conclusion that they are cowardly and they need to do something to resolve that dissonance. So is it better to not point out the contradiction in the first place?

Note: the argument doesn't just apply to abortion. It could be any issue that is framed as a matter of imminent large scale life and death, like gun control, the climate change, immigration, etc. The only conclusion I can come up with is to personally avoid framing your positions in extreme absolutes, both for preventing yourself from getting trapped in a logic corner and to keep from inciting others.


this is scary...I too have often wondered this.

I always had a sick obsession with Jihadists. There is something to say about a man, willing to go to a foreign country (Afghanistan, Syria, or in the case of 9/11 the USA) and sacrifice one's life against a perceived injustice.
 
anyway I run up to him, gently put my hand on his shoulder and say, "sir, you're in the middle of the street" he immediately shrugged me off and said, " I CAN TAKE CARE OF MYSELF!!"
lol
Yeah, like if people don't want help that's one thing but it's those instances where people see something and don't do shit.
 
It has to be this.

How

Another example, how often say at night clubs do people see some dude creeping on a girl hard and they don't know the girl so they don't do shit to step in and help. And by don't do shit I mean they don't even tell staff/bouncers about the issue who are specifically there to handle such incidents?



holy shit!! I completely forgot to tell you! I got in my first physical altercation with a mendicant in downtown seattle.
 


@Higus

The Syrian in that clip from Generation Kill and others like him have more conviction than the pro-lifers you referenced in your initial question.

holy shit!! I completely forgot to tell you! I got in my first physical altercation with a mendicant in downtown seattle.
Oh Jesus Christ.

You not give him change and they freak the fuck out?
 
So what you're saying is that I should get my prostate milked in the back seat of a Taurus while reading the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy?

("Fellate me, Whore, as I read Plotinus")
Exactly. That’s exactly what I’m saying. You get me, bro.
 
Had a dangerous thought the other day. I'd like some thoughts. @Lead or other mods, feel free to take it down if you see fit

Suppose there is a clinic in your neighborhood that people bring their newborns and toddlers to. Inside, the staff euthanize the otherwise healthy children and dispose the bodies, and the parents walk out free to carry on their day. This happens hundreds of times per week. You call the cops and beg them to do something, but they tell you that the clinic is perfectly legal. You call your local representatives, but they blow you off. If that was what you truly believed was happening, then committing a terrorist act to blow up the clinic or kill the staff, or anyone else that enables it *could* be a rational and moral response.

So why don't attacks on abortion clinics happen more often? I try to say this without trying to diminish the danger clinicians and politicians and activists truly face, but if it was really as dire and gruesome as the pro-life side claimed, you would expect the response to be proportionally as bad. I can only think of a few reasons: First, and most probable imo, is because equating fetuses with living babies is a rhetorical tactic and the people use disingenuously; they know if they break kayfabe, it will crack the pillar of their argument. A second reason is that some people are true believers but they lack the conviction to do what they believe is right.

So here's the dangerous part: If you point out the contradiction, there is a small chance that someone would come to the conclusion that they are cowardly and they need to do something to resolve that dissonance. So is it better to not point out the contradiction in the first place?

Note: the argument doesn't just apply to abortion. It could be any issue that is framed as a matter of imminent large scale life and death, like gun control, the climate change, immigration, etc. The only conclusion I can come up with is to personally avoid framing your positions in extreme absolutes, both for preventing yourself from getting trapped in a logic corner and to keep from inciting others.
You're right. I don't really have much of anything to add to this, except to say that only a very very small number of people go beyond thinking it's too big an issue for them to take sole action, so I don't think there's all that much of a chance of a terrorist attack resulting from it. The chance is non-zero, however, and if you scatter enough seeds, the odd one here and there is going to germinate so it certainly seems better to avoid the extremes.
 


@Higus

The Syrian in that clip from Generation Kill and others like him have more conviction than the pro-lifers you referenced in your initial question.


Oh Jesus Christ.

You not give him change and they freak the fuck out?

This video might (hopefully) give people a different perspective on people saying "allahu akbar"

 
yea, no kidding. I have no idea why so many posters here continue to jack off to Trotsky. Look at his posts in this thread alone.
Well, he's educated and intelligent, writes well and I've learned more just from disagreeing with him than I have from all my interactions with any number of large subsets of WR posters, especially our right-wingers, who are just terrible thinkers in general. Seems like a pretty good reason to "jack off to" him. On the other hand, I've learned very little from you, which may not be your fault, but it's true and worth noticing.
 
Say what you will about the Ford Taurus. They may have all kinds of electrical problems, overheat for no particular reason, and have shitty computer systems, but what it all boils down to for me is that...I have one.
Belly laughing over here
 
Well, he's educated and intelligent, writes well and I've learned more just from disagreeing with him than I have from all my interactions with any number of large subsets of WR posters, especially our right-wingers, who are just terrible thinkers in general. Seems like a pretty good reason to "jack off to" him. On the other hand, I've learned very little from you, which may not be your fault, but it's true and worth noticing.


we were doing so good...and now you pull this shit.
 


@Higus

The Syrian in that clip from Generation Kill and others like him have more conviction than the pro-lifers you referenced in your initial question.


Oh Jesus Christ.

You not give him change and they freak the fuck out?



weird, I didn't get this notification.

details later. has a hilarious ending btw.
 
Don't stray from you brand new commitment to love, or whatever. I'd hate to be your downfall.


** takes deep breaths

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. maybe you're right fawlty. Maybe I should emulate Trotsky more with participating in more in depth responses rather then reacting ferociously to dissenting opinion.
 
** takes deep breaths

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. maybe you're right fawlty. Maybe I should emulate Trotsky more with participating in more in depth responses rather then reacting ferociously to dissenting opinion.
I'm good either way. You just have to you.
 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...p-8hSrE8W0-hBA4dE5UH80bslQqGcv-XWp6pSkzdu1myQ

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Why are you posting this? It's from February.
 
Why are you posting this? It's from February.

I'll own this. I had not seen the actual application photo before so I thought the picture of the application was newly released when I saw it on facebook just now. My apologies.
 
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