War Room Lounge v54: I was there for Kimura-Gracie, solid crowd

[Higus]

When do you believe was the last time that it was truly alive in any real philosophical sense?

Idk about alive, but I figure the nail in the coffin was when Reagan made his economic policy based on a napkin sketch.

 

[Sycho Sid]

Only The Best People.

Oh right, he is a Trump supporter too. Maybe the least objectionable thing about him. Which says a lot

 

[Rational Poster]

Yeah, the conservative movement in America is intellectually dead.

Can we stop calling them conservatives?

There is nothing conservative about their agenda, it's almost like it's intentionally wasteful to benefit their own supporters at the expense of literally everyone else.

 

[Trotsky]

Idk about alive, but I figure the nail in the coffin was when Reagan made his economic policy based on a napkin sketch.

Well, to be fair, it was a magical napkin sketch. We know this because it reached back in time and was taught to Donald Trump at Wharton years earlier.

 

[Jack V Savage]

When do you believe was the last time that it was truly alive in any real philosophical sense?

There was some serious economic thinking in the '70s that influenced policy in the '80s (which led to reconsideration of them). Some decent thinking in the '90s. I think even if liberals had full control today, there were policy changes pioneered by the right from the '70s to the Aughts that would not be reversed knowing what we know now. But the Bush years (where the GOP had the power to put ideas into practice) were such an obvious disaster that the movement turned to lies to defend looting rather than making good-faith efforts to understand and discuss reality (obviously some of that was always there, and some of that is all over the spectrum, but the difference is that there's no longer anything else on today's right).

Note that in 1980, there genuinely were economic problems on the supply side (mostly related to energy, but overregulation and poorly designed taxation were real issues). Someone could have made good-faith arguments that tax cuts and deregulation would lead to noticeable economic improvement. In 2016, anyone making that same case was a charlatan. You might say, "well, yeah, of course times change." But the movement was still saying the same shit in 2016 and will certainly say the same shit in 2020! There's no growth or development, no integration of new discoveries into the program, no recognition that new problems require new solutions, etc. And that's all covered up with dishonesty--taking credit for anything good that happens regardless of what reason says the cause is and blaming everyone else for everything that goes wrong, again regardless of the reality.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Can we stop calling them conservatives?

There is nothing conservative about their agenda, it's almost like it's intentionally wasteful to benefit their own supporters at the expense of literally everyone else.

Not even their own supporters--themselves personally, mostly. The response to losing arguments is to attack the credibility of anyone who isn't part of the movement and willing to bow to it, and they have an audience that buys that so there's no need to actually do anything for them.

 

[JDragon]

The remaining 5 on fruit trees

 

[Limbo Pete]

You're lazy af:

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I was heading back from lunch riiiight as I saw that. Phone has literally been burning a hole in my pocket the last hour and a half.
@waiguoren explain yourself

 

[Limbo Pete]

Remember the conversations we had with him in an old Lounge thread where his ideal woman looked shockingly young?

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuup

 

[Prokofievian]

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuup

Remember when he then went on to pretend like it was all a joke and he was just trolling us with his battleslut bit?

A cringey look inside the kind of mind that would post what now adorns my sig.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Idk about alive, but I figure the nail in the coffin was when Reagan made his economic policy based on a napkin sketch.

I think the final nail is happening now. Rejecting multilateral trade agreements and the demonization of NATO is destroying the country's ability to project power around the globe. Also the full blown xenophobia in regards to immigration.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuup

Well don't just stand there. Put on your sleuth hat and find that exchange

 

[Prokofievian]

Well don't just stand there. Put on your sleuth hat and find that exchange

I'm thinking about picking up Sheiko's book, as anyone in the S&P mentioned it?

 

[Higus]

I think the final nail is happening now. Rejecting multilateral trade agreements and the demonization of NATO is destroying the country's ability to project power around the globe. Also the full blown xenophobia in regards to immigration.

Add to that the amount of man power and knowledge lost in the state department over the last couple of years. So many career diplomats and ambassadors have resigned under this administration. Its going to be a long time to rebuild that sort of expertise.

 

[Trotsky]

I think the final nail is happening now. Rejecting multilateral trade agreements and the demonization of NATO is destroying the countries ability to project power around the globe. Also the full blown xenophobia in regards to immigration.

I mean, it's not like the average conservative voter, or even a meaningful amount of them, was ever invested whatsoever in FTA's or international defense coalitions.

What the right is now is a group:
(A) of ethnonationalists with absolutely no standards for governance or for intellectual honesty/consistency that are electing (B) a bunch of feudalists who aren't vociferously ethnonationalistic but are completely willing to exploit and profit from the aforementioned non-standards for governance and honesty.

 

[HockeyBjj]

I'm thinking about picking up Sheiko's book, as anyone in the S&P mentioned it?

? I'm confused and not sure what you're talking about here

 

[Prokofievian]

? I'm confused and not sure what you're talking about here

Boris Sheiko wrote a book and it was recently translated into english. Because you lift I thought maybe you saw some review or something like that.

 

[Islam Imamate]

What the fuck. Link this shit show

The Abel Trujillo case? Can't see how that's a defensible position to take unless he's saying we've advertently seen some 17 year old on porn hub without realizing it

That's what I figured he meant.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Boris Sheiko wrote a book and it was recently translated into english. Because you lift I thought maybe you saw some review or something like that.

Oh, no I haven't. I never have really gotten into reading any fitness coaches works. I think I always get hung up on the capitalistic aspect of "they're trying to sell a product, so it probably sucks and just says whatever they think will net sales." I will on occasion read on various scientific studies of the volume/weight debate and other topics. Brad Schoenfeld and Alan Aragon are too much "bro" personality wise, but I like their work and mostly their pushback on any fad diet or workout.

Any lifting plan I have is just the generals of stuff picked up there shoved together with the overlying principle of steadily increasing weight a la Rippetoe's starting strength. (which I also never read. Just the do compound lifts. Lift more weight each week. Get stronger basic takeaway)

You must have just quoted me to get my attention, because what you quoted to what you responded with were so far apart on topic it through me for a loop

 

[Higus]

huh.
I never peaked into the stock market thread before, so I took a look at a few pages. Its seriously just 2-3 people consisting 99% of the posts.