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Higus said:
Anyone else find it bizarre that of all the things that it could have been over, trans rights have become the hill the conservatives have chosen to die on?
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They needed a hill, and there is no hill too small, so long as they can justify it to themselves as more rational than the (usually grossly misrepresented) alternative. So, instead of it being the left advocating for basic human rights for trans people and the right opposing it, they can conceptualize it as the left wanting to administer hormone therapy to all babies and the right just wanting to not do that and not pay attention to deficits in rights that don't actually exist.
 
Trotsky said:
They needed a hill, and there is no hill too small, so long as they can justify it to themselves as more rational than the (usually grossly misrepresented) alternative. So, instead of it being the left advocating for basic human rights for trans people and the right opposing it, they can conceptualize it as the left wanting to administer hormone therapy to all babies and the right just wanting to not do that and not pay attention to deficits in rights that don't actually exist.
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The strange thing to me is that it's not even a matter of finding solutions. They don't want trans people to play sports, they don't want want them to use the same bathroom, they don't want them to have medical care, they don't want them to be part of society. What they really want is for trans people to not exist.
What's the realistic end goal? To make the social environment hostile to trans people for another generation or so? And then what?
 
Higus said:
The strange thing to me is that it's not even a matter of finding solutions. They don't want trans people to play sports, they don't want want them to use the same bathroom, they don't want them to have medical care, they don't want them to be part of society. What they really want is for trans people to not exist.
What's the realistic end goal? To make the social environment hostile to trans people for another generation or so? And then what?
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I told a buddy that he's been sharing the bathroom with trans people his whole life and he was like ".......".
 
Limbo Pete said:
I told a buddy that he's been sharing the bathroom with trans people his whole life and he was like ".......".
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You should have, at that moment, dropped your pants with your dong tucked between your legs so you looked like you had a vagina.

That'd have really freaked him out.
 
Higus said:
The strange thing to me is that it's not even a matter of finding solutions. They don't want trans people to play sports, they don't want want them to use the same bathroom, they don't want them to have medical care, they don't want them to be part of society. What they really want is for trans people to not exist.
What's the realistic end goal? To make the social environment hostile to trans people for another generation or so? And then what?
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I feel someone like Fallon Fox shouldn't be allowed to compete. To live well into your 30s as a male with a male's level of hormones in your system and then transition and go fight women? I get women with skill have beaten her but her wins look like a really REALLY bad DV beating
 
So my night just ended at 3.45 am. Woke up from the sound of a bottle of sparkling wine exploding in the kitchen. Wtf
 
Trotsky said:
You guys seen this video?

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That's old. Looks like something that would happen to you and your your boys on a night out. Tossed around by a girl.
 
Limbo Pete said:
I told a buddy that he's been sharing the bathroom with trans people his whole life and he was like ".......".
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Sure, NP there. We're men, whoever enters our temple is welcome to shit and piss where they like.

Me though, I call it quits at grown men who claim to be transgender women using the girls bathroom. You agree?
 
Trotsky said:
You should have, at that moment, dropped your pants with your dong tucked between your legs so you looked like you had a vagina.

That'd have really freaked him out.
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InternetHero said:
Speaking of Bertrand, I disagree with him on religion and a lot about communism, but really respect his choices in both arenas. The man waved off Lenin at the height of Leninism, and decried Stalin when other intellectuals were taking a knee to kiss the ring. That's admirable all the way down. @Trotsky
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I moved this here because it's really a pretty huge digression from the thread topic, but I think it's an interesting discussion.

I have a great deal of respect for Bertrand Russell, as does (I must presume) @Jack V Savage. But his mislabeling of Lenin was pretty glaring. He referred to him as, though a generationally "great" man, a narrowly focused and rigid ideologue who was propelled to his station by his being a superior diplomat and administrator than his contemporaries. This is in star contrast to the portrayal of Lenin by Kropotkin, who held Lenin as a sort of apolitical tyrant.

Both were incorrect, but Kropotkin was probably closer, and I think the two views have been synthesized accurately by Noam Chomsky (who I frankly hold in higher intellectual regard than Russell, Lenin, or Kropotkin) who describes Lenin as a right-wing distortion of the Russian communist movement. Lenin was no sort of ideologue in the least, and his Marxian applications differed greatly in his life, both theoretically and in practice. To this end, he was a sort of ideological reactionary in that he never held fast to the brilliance of State and Revolution. However, he was also no great administrator: that was Trotsky. Lenin was brilliant and ruthless, but he was also lacking in organization.
 
Sketch said:
Sure, NP there. We're men, whoever enters our temple is welcome to shit and piss where they like.

Me though, I call it quits at grown men who claim to be transgender women using the girls bathroom. You agree?
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Transgender =/= voyeur, bud.
 
Through the month of December, I will be opening a War room Advent Calendar.
 
@Limbo Pete I miss that quote you had of mine, about the mods crawling on all fours. During the Nost era.
 
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