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The term is used very differently by different people, including many who use it as a vague term of abuse. But by people who aren't idiots, it basically refers to kind of traditionally right-wing economic policy--deregulation, free trade, tax cuts, etc. A lot of lefties use it to criticize other people who are left-leaning but still mostly believe in markets.
Thanks. I will join the pile-on of the Republicans in the proposed thread. But is it possible to be more specific as to which policies without falling back on instead trying to define neo-liberalism? I'm asking a very specific question. When someone blames neo-liberal policies for something, exactly what policies do they mean?
 
Thanks. I will join the pile-on of the Republicans in the proposed thread. But is it possible to be more specific as to which policies without falling back on instead trying to define neo-liberalism? I'm asking a very specific question. When someone blames neo-liberal policies for something, exactly what policies do they mean?

I think I answered you ("deregulation, free trade, tax cuts, etc."). Not sure what you're talking about with the pile-on stuff. Also, you can't answer the question without a definition.
 
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I hate being so sick I'm literally mouth-breathing at work cause if I breath like a normal well adjusted human being I start sneezing and coughing like I have TB.
 
I think I answered you ("deregulation, free trade, tax cuts, etc."). Not sure what you're talking about with the pile-on stuff. Also, you can't answer the question without a definition.
If one thinks neo-liberal policies are to blame for something, one ought to be able to say which policies those are without reference to what a neo-liberal is. I think a policy is a cut and dried statement of procedure or course of action, but OK, I deliberately used the expression "is it possible" as a concession to the idea it may not be possible without going into excessive detail.

Thank you. Anyone else want to chime in and agree or disagree? If possible I'd like to make this a settled question before moving on.
 
Thanks. I will join the pile-on of the Republicans in the proposed thread. But is it possible to be more specific as to which policies without falling back on instead trying to define neo-liberalism? I'm asking a very specific question. When someone blames neo-liberal policies for something, exactly what policies do they mean?

To partially disagree with Jack, I think privatization is *the* cornerstone policy of neoliberalism such that wealth can be distributed upward without (completely) relying on policies that are facially regressive like flattening of tax codes, weakening of entitlements access, etc., which neoliberals may well insist upon too, even if to smaller extents than their Republican colleagues (see: Clinton's welfare reform).

The prototypical example of someone who has faced backlash for his neoliberal tendencies is (imo) Cory Booker. Booker, as you have probably noticed, is perhaps Washington's most enthusiastic Everybody-Love-Everybody-style liberal who champions inclusivity and tolerance. As a Senator and especially as Mayor of Newark, Booker has repeatedly done the bidding for private capital, from privatizing public services, to selling off public land for private development, to shilling for private equity firms. to opposing overly progressive tax codes. Booker's most infamous and steadfast position has been in his support for charter schools, which, though a perfectly fine extension of market logic toward improving a fundamental public good, have been fiercely opposed by labor unions and advocates for the poor and, indeed, have not yielded much in the way of the tangible improvements that their advocates sold them on.

But figures like Booker can't be said to be slavishly beholden to free market ethos, as they, just like their Republican colleagues, have absolutely no problem taking a diametrical and economically illiberal positions when it suits their benefactors (and, to be fair, constituents). This can be seen in the case of when Booker took a beating last year in his opposition to freeing the US pharmaceutical market to Canadian pharmaceuticals in an effort to weaken monopoly pricing and reduce the country's GOAT-status pharmaceutical prices. This sort of corporate protectionism is hardly what would be expected of a market enthusiast, but, since New Jersey is one of the country's biggest homes to the pharma industry, his position followed. In this way, he's sort of analogous to Joe Lieberman.

These problems are exacerbated by the fact that many of these liberals are and have been propped up by the industries they are benefiting. For Booker, for instance, charter schools were the donor industry that was instrumental in his mayoral election. And then, when he ran for Senate, private equity firms like Goldman backed him hard.
 
Man, I couldn't disagree more about charter schools (in the abstract--in practice there are good and bad ones). I mean, about their goodness (I'm a fan), not about their neoliberalness.
 
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I miss having my dog.....

Ugh, I need to get financially stable enough to be able to have one again. Which means I need to pay off my truck, and move into my own place which means saving for a down payment on a house or condo.
 


I miss having my dog.....

Ugh, I need to get financially stable enough to be able to have one again. Which means I need to pay off my truck, and move into my own place which means saving for a down payment on a house or condo.


Vehicles are such a fucking sinkhole for money. Like, holy hell. I generally think Dave Ramsey is a bit too conservative, but I think he has it right when it comes to vehicles. Sell your truck, take the proceeds to buy whatever junker can drive you around, and reroute whatever money it was you were paying for your truck payment to paying off other debts (should you have them) and saving for your downpayment. Fuck car payments.
 
Vehicles are such a fucking sinkhole for money. Like, holy hell. I generally think Dave Ramsey is a bit too conservative, but I think he has it right when it comes to vehicles. Sell your truck, take the proceeds to buy whatever junker can drive you around, and reroute whatever money it was you were paying for your truck payment to paying off other debts (should you have them) and saving for your downpayment. Fuck car payments.
That's a great idea but I'm only a couple months away from having it fully paid off.

It's actually at the point where I could pay double my minimum every month and I'd be done by August type close essentially.
 
That's a great idea but I'm only a couple months away from having it fully paid off.

It's actually at the point where I could pay double my minimum every month and I'd be done by August type close essentially.

What year is it?
 
Hmmm. Not sure how much of a difference it would make in that case.
Yeah, not enough for me to sell it off now.

I know my dad and I were joking yesterday that I went about this all wrong.

Should have kept driving the 1984 Bronco and saved up money to purchase a house first.

Oh well, once this truck loan is done I'll have good credit and be able to get the student loans paid off and the other small debts I have pretty rapidly. As in the minor CC debt I have would be gone in like 1-2 paychecks type rapid.
 
What are your top nationally available beers?
My personal favorites?

For when I'm stuck in 100 degree heat I like Michelob Ultra. Yeah it's a bit of a higher priced Bud Light but doesn't leave my stomach feeling like a cinderblock got dropped in it.

I think Boundary Bay can be bought in places outside WA and their Scotch Ale is pretty good. I like Deschuttes Black Butte Porter but that might be more regional.

My go to when I want cheap beer is Rolling Rock and if I want to go a little nicer it might be like a Stella Artois or some Death's Head (again, Death's Head might be just WA or PNW region).

I'll freely admit when it comes to alcohol I drink more liquor than beer nowadays cause beer always makes me feel like I am going to cut a real nasty fart if someone hugs me too hard.
 
For when I'm stuck in 100 degree heat I like Michelob Ultra. Yeah it's a bit of a higher priced Bud Light but doesn't leave my stomach feeling like a cinderblock got dropped in it.

When it's insanely hot outside I can think of nothing I would rather drink than a cold Paulaner. It's the closest thing to an actual healing potion that exists, except for, I dunno, medicine, I guess.
 
When it's insanely hot outside I can think of nothing I would rather drink than a cold Paulaner. It's the closest thing to an actual healing potion that exists, except for, I dunno, medicine, I guess.
Lagernitas is pretty good too but hard to find.
 
The term is used very differently by different people, including many who use it as a vague term of abuse. But by people who aren't idiots, it basically refers to kind of traditionally right-wing economic policy--deregulation, free trade, tax cuts, etc. A lot of lefties use it to criticize other people who are left-leaning but still mostly believe in markets.
That has always sounded so jarring to me. "Neoliberal" is only ambiguous and confusing in the US, where leftwingers are called liberals (I know there are legit reasons for this, but it's still bizarre).

Ronald Reagan and Margaret Tatcher, for example, are called neoliberals everywhere else in the world.
 
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