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[Andy Capp]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/racist-carnival-game

Jeeeeeeesus.

Land of the free and home of the brave where everyone is equal under the law, no doubt about it.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

1942.

In July 1948, a “soldiers reunion and homecoming” held in the public square in Brownstown, Indiana, was advertised in the Jackson County Banner with the exhortation “Make this big week your vacation time — Bring the family — meet old friends — Hit the ‘N***er Babies’ — Eat Hot Dogs — Join the Fun.”

 

[Fawlty]

Hey @Limbo Pete, let's say that hypothetically there's a poster who claimed social media persecution because they took down his personal photo of a dead beaver. Who would you guess that was?

 

[Islam Imamate]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/racist-carnival-game

Jeeeeeeesus.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Yo Charlie Kaufman has a new movie out??

Kaufman, sneakily altering visual details from frame to frame, revives the grim absurdism of his brilliantly morose directorial debut, Synecdoche, New York.

Synecdoche, New York was incredible btw.

Yeah the part about how a reporter basically said "well looks like one may die from being beaten with baseballs by white people, but we found a different black guy so the fun doesn't have to stop!"

I've seen dead bodies, and plenty of pictures/videos of dead bodies, but what bothers me most with pictures like that, or of things like lynchings has to be the pure glee in the faces of people attending.

 

[tonni]

Yeah the part about how a reporter basically said "well looks like one may die from being beaten with baseballs by white people, but we found a different black guy so the fun doesn't have to stop!"

I've seen dead bodies, and plenty of pictures/videos of dead bodies, but what bothers me most with pictures like that, or of things like lynchings has to be the pure glee in the faces of people attending.

How many of them do you think felt guilt or felt bad about it, naturally?

 

[Wet Blanket]

It seems like Canada isn’t sending their best...

We keep our best.

 

[Wet Blanket]

whats with the forum attracting crazy canadian trumpers? they must be a derided minority at home i guess.

Yup.

 

[skysolo]

The Clintons are still Russia gating after 4 years. Just admit you lost the most winnable election in the history of the planet.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

How many of them do you think felt guilt or felt bad about it, naturally?

Well according to the Wikipedia on lynching postcards (a fun little American tradition.)

In a typical lynching postcard, the victim is displayed prominently at the center of the shot, while smiling spectators, often including children,[7] crowd the margins of the frame, posing for the camera to prove their presence.[1] Facial expressions suggesting remorse, guilt, shame, or regret are rare

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_postcard

The stereotype of a lynching is a hanging because hangings are what crowds of people saw and are also easy to photograph.[12] Some hangings were professionally photographed and sold as postcards, which were popular souvenirs in some parts of the U.S.[13][14] "Although most people think only of hanging, lynching means much more."[15] Victims were also killed in a variety of other ways: shot repeatedly, burned alive, forced to jump off a bridge, dragged behind cars, and the like. Sometimes they were tortured as well; body parts were sometimes removed and sold as souvenirs in stores.

The body part stuff is fucked up. For example before the civil war. Texans tortured and lynched a white preacher for associating with blacks, they skinned him and parts of his skin as trophies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

Get to the Civil Rights Era stuff, what they did to the kid Till was horrible, but I think his mother making the funeral open casket despite his head being smashed in was very important for the movement.

Also because of Hoover, the FBI was tying anti lynching with Communism because how could you possibly be against something so American.

If you ever wonder how so many Americans can be so racist today why wouldn't they be, their grandparents were the people waving black baby dolls with nooses around their necks at black children when segregation ended. History is a living breathing thing.

 

[Trotsky]

What a piece of shit, basically looking for an excuse to hit someone.

Skateboard homie needs prison time.

Piece of shit? Prison time?

Who the fuck cares? He took a stand that dehumanizing people based on their skin was worth battery. And he battered him. Fine him for misdemeanor assault.

Also, just lol @ the "license to kill" from that dumbass in @deltapapha's post. Looking at his profile, he's a racist Trump-supporting piece of shit spamming alarmist propaganda about scary black people. He's like Andy Ngo but more overt. He's definitely said the N-word regularly in his life and any license to light him up would be a good one.

 

[Prokofievian]

Piece of shit? Prison time?

Who the fuck cares? He took a stand that dehumanizing people based on their skin was worth battery. And he battered him. Fine him for misdemeanor assault.

Waaaaaaat.

Also, just lol @ the "license to kill" from that dumbass in @deltapapha's post. Looking at his profile, he's a racist Trump-supporting piece of shit spamming alarmist propaganda about scary black people. He's like Andy Ngo but more overt. He's definitely said the N-word regularly in his life and any license to light him up would be a good one.

Ian Miles Cheong is indeed a chud.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Anything you particularly object to?

OK, the first thing that annoyed me, TBH, was the gratuitous dig at Hamilton (and I guess at the same time, there was the exaggerated importance of TWW). Then there's the snarky tone directed at the idea of, God forbid, actually caring about policy ("Thanks to its endless depiction of procedure and policy, the show naturally gibed with the wonkish libidos of future Voxsplainers Matt Yglesias and Ezra Klein"). Then he takes a big turn away from actually making any kind of point to snark about people who work in politics and fans of the show. Then it gets really bad.

What is the actual ideology of The West Wing? Just like the real American liberalism it represents, the show proved to be something of a political weather vane throughout its seven seasons on the air.

...

The Bartlet administration’s actual politics—just like those of the real Democratic Party and its base—therefore run the gamut from the stuff of Elizabeth Warren-esque populism to the neoliberal bilge you might expect to come from a Beltway think tank having its white papers greased by dollars from Goldman Sachs.

But promoting or endorsing any specific policy orientation is not the show’s true raison d’être. At the conclusion of its seven seasons it remains unclear if the Bartlet administration has succeeded at all in fundamentally altering the contours of American life. In fact, after two terms in the White House, Bartlet’s gang of hyper-educated, hyper-competent politicos do not seem to have any transformational policy achievements whatsoever. Even in their most unconstrained and idealized political fantasies, liberals manage to accomplish nothing.

The lack of any serious attempts to change anything reflect a certain apolitical tendency in this type of politics, one that defines itself by its manner and attitude rather than a vision of the change it wishes to see in the world. Insofar as there is an identifiable ideology, it isn’t one definitively wedded to a particular program of reform, but instead to a particular aesthetic of political institutions. The business of leveraging democracy for any specific purpose comes second to how its institutional liturgy and processes look and, more importantly, how they make us feel—virtue being attached more to posture and affect than to any particular goal. Echoing Sorkin’s 1995 film The American President (in many ways the progenitor of The West Wing) it delights in invoking “seriousness” and the supposedly hard-headed pragmatism of grownups.

Really? A show set in the realish world of modern politics doesn't turn into a Utopian fantasy, where all liberal policy preferences get implemented and we live happily ever. And that means that liberals don't want to accomplish anything. Maybe a better interpretation here is that the presumption that the show depicts the most unconstrained and idealized political fantasies is false. No? That makes me think that the guy isn't just getting something wrong somewhere but is a real moron (or that he didn't question his gut reaction when he started the piece as he moved through it). A lot of further idiocy flows from this mistake (reading the show as a manifesto about How Things Should Be rather than a drama about people working in politics).

Then we get this:

Categories like left and right become less significant, provided that the competing interlocutors are deemed respectably smart and practice the designated etiquette. The Discourse becomes a category of its own, to be protected and nourished by Serious People conversing respectfully while shutting down the stupid with heavy-handed moral sanctimony.

Can fans of the show confirm that values and policies are treated as inconsequential as long as everyone is smart and respectful? I'm skeptical, but even if so, that's certainly not something that liberals in the real world believe. In fact, it might better describe the type of idiot who says stuff like, "I like either Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul" or "Bernie and Trump are my top two." To populists, mood and branding are more important than policy. But liberals certainly don't think that.

Then there's this:

But if anything gives that worldview pause, it should be the events of the past eight years. Liberals got a real life Josiah Bartlet in the figure of Barack Obama, a charismatic and stylish politician elected on a populist wave. But Obama’s soaring speeches, quintessentially presidential affect, and deference to procedure did little to fundamentally improve the country or prevent his Republican rivals from storming the Congressional barricades at their first opportunity.

WTF? The ACA alone is a massive fundamental improvement in the country, and there's a lot more besides that. Also, small issue, but it's not like presidents have any choice but to defer to procedure. I guess Trump is getting away with corruption, but that's not really a good thing. And does he think that an effective president will prevent the other party from wanting to win? And holding the WH tends to be bad for a party in other races, *especially* if the president is making big changes.

This:

If you can just crush Trump in the debates, as Bartlet did to Richie, then you’ve won. (That’s not an exaggeration of the worldview. Ezra Klein published an article entitled “Hillary Clinton’s 3 debate performances left the Trump campaign in ruins,” which entirely eliminated the distinction between what happens in debates and what happens in campaigns. The belief that politics is about argument rather than power is likely a symptom of a Democratic politics increasingly incubated in the Ivy League rather than the labor movement.)

is interesting because it provides a link that refutes his own interpretation. Here's Klein starting from the *second sentence* of the link: "The polling tells the story. As Nate Silver notes, on the eve of the first presidential debate, Clinton led by 1.5 points. Before the second, she was up by 5.6 points. Before the third, she was winning by 7.1 points." A responsible editor would have opened the link and gone back to him saying, "bruh, this sounds like Klein is talking about the campaign. Fix your shit."

I like this, though: "Now, facing defeat and political crisis, the overwhelming liberal instinct has not been self-reflection but a further retreat into fantasy and orthodoxy." Just a tad premature there, buddy.

Anyway, that's not even a comprehensive listing of all the problems with that piece.

 

[Trotsky]

Waaaaaaat.

He hit a guy with a skateboard for using a racial epithet. I don't think this is a grave moral offense. He shouldn't be lionized, but I don't think indulging the right wing mob, which has forced him off social media and is probably doing far worse as we speak, is helpful.

 

[Fawlty]

He hit a guy with a skateboard for using a racial epithet. I don't think this is a grave moral offense. He shouldn't be lionized, but I don't think indulging the right wing mob, which has forced him off social media and is probably doing far worse as we speak, is helpful.

I think you're underestimating the mortal threat from a skateboard to the head. That's closer to baseball bat territory than punching territory.

 

[The Diplomat]

Piece of shit? Prison time?

Who the fuck cares? He took a stand that dehumanizing people based on their skin was worth battery. And he battered him. Fine him for misdemeanor assault.

Also, just lol @ the "license to kill" from that dumbass in @deltapapha's post. Looking at his profile, he's a racist Trump-supporting piece of shit spamming alarmist propaganda about scary black people. He's like Andy Ngo but more overt. He's definitely said the N-word regularly in his life and any license to light him up would be a good one.

You're better than this.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Damn I don't know about that up here in Canada they can fight and they do fight a lot even while fucked up. I remember one of the funniest thing I ever saw in my life was when I watched this Native guy just steal a beer out of this white guys bag at a busy intersection. Dude was waiting to cross the street with him, spotted the other dude holding a bag of booze, did a double take and then just plucked one right out the bag infront the guy and then just continued waiting for the light like nothing happened even though the guy watched him steal it right in front of him. The white guy starts saying shit like "Wtf man? Give that shit back" The native guy tells him to shut the fuck up and the light changes. They start walking and arguing more then the white guy get's kind of testy with the native guy in terms of body language and the native dude just laid him out, walked right off and opened the beer.

I knew some growing up, even smoked and drank with them sometimes and they took shit from nobody even in a Jamaican ran area. They actually were enemies sort of with the Jamaicans but since both sides wore red and overall wouldn't let up to one another they just coexisted in the same 2km radius lol.

I'm not trying to generalize that they can't fight in general or anything like that. What I'm saying is a lot of them have bad drinking problems, and get so fucking drunk they can hardly stand let alone fight. And a lot start at a young age. The guy in that video was basically lights are on but nobody's home level of drunk as best as I can tell, and he has a lot of the mannerisms I was use to seeing. I could be totally off base on the person's background but it's what it appears to me. The guy just flat out let himself get blasted in the face.

Can only imagine if he did that shit to a drunk woman what the reaction would be. Wish that douche got beaten to within an inch of his life.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Yo Charlie Kaufman has a new movie out??

Yep. And his first novel dropped a couple of months ago. It's excellent, though I think the fifth sixth of it kind of dragged. Kind of makes fun of SJWs and critics (I suspect maybe Jonathan Rosenbaum is a target).

 

[JDragon]

I think you're underestimating the mortal threat from a skateboard to the head. That's closer to baseball bat territory than punching territory.

Also making excuses for political violence at a stage of things where you are approaching 1920s Germany is a horrible idea.

 

[SATW]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/racist-carnival-game

Jeeeeeeesus.

How coward a person need to be to do a hateful event while being hidden

They don't seem to be bothered much by noise. In general they don't seem scared of much.

Bro, cannon camels killing Brits is pretty rad.


But heres something even terrifying.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/60518-animals-used-in-warfare.html

Few arrows to the legs and u just traded mere arrows for an elephant